ive got an oz lancer im looking to turbo, but i want to do it right, and by this i mean build and run my own setup! see, im posting this thread in evo general because it seems like all the oz guys are running the wrong setup, im yet to see anyone push more than 7-10 psi out of a 4g94t with numbers like 200hp and 15sec....... what the hell is this? im curious as to why, when you can run a turbo non-intercooled at 7 psi! any one know why this is? i mean ive seen a honda d-16 with more power than that and there both single cam, also what is the difference between an internal and external wastegate( besides location)? any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!

 

The lancer is an economical car... most people initially bought them because they were affordable, etc. To properly turbo a lancer, or any car for that matter, you need the funds to do so, which would be in conflict with the reason they bought the car in the first place. Therefore, when you say that people haven't been running the correct setup, it's not that they're doing it wrong, it's that they've reached a point where they want a little more "oomph" and are doing it with safe and proven setups which allow them to join the forced induction group without breaking the bank or putting serious risk of damage on their car. Personally, I'm of the group that believes in having a good base built before tackling the final step of turboing. By having a proper tuning system such as AEM EMS or Haltech standalone units, it's then possible to do everything correctly and "safely". As well, being able to put the power made to the ground and keep it on the road is important. I'm currently at the wheel/tire, brake, motor mount, suspension, etc.. stage (updates can be seen in my build thread in my signature). Once I'm done with that, then it basically leaves me with the option of exterior (body kit) or power (turbo).

A body kit would be straight-forward as can be... get parts, get body shop to fit and paint... done. Turbo on the other hand is practically going to be like buying the car all over again, and is likely going to be piece by piece. Initial step would be getting a Haltech E6X from RPW with their plug and play harness, change over to a MAP sensor system as compared to our air restricting MAF. Install a wideband O2 sensor, and tune what I can out of the engine while being N/A. From there, it's a whole new ball of wax:

-12:1 Rising Rate Fuel pressure regulator
-440cc Injectors
-Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
-EGT, Oil Pressure, Boost Guages
-Turbo manifold
-Turbo
-Intercooler
-Piping
-BOV
-Wastegate
-Boost Controller
-2 3/4" - 3" Exhaust work
-Forged Pistons
-Forged Rods
-Oil Lines
-Performance Clutch
-LS Differential
-Etc...

So, as you see, in order to run the "correct" setup, you're dealing with big buck items which your everyday lancer owner can not afford. Therefore, you're going to see about 90% of our members with affordable mods which can be attained by saving i.e. rims, intake, exhaust, stereo, etc.. and then another percentage who saved and bought a basic turbo kit from RRM... and another percentage who are a bit more experienced and can piece together their own turbo setup, have things fabricated, etc.. and finally a itsy bitsy percentage who have the resources to go all-out in their thirst for horsepower in the lancer, i.e. boe, omar...

And.... after all of the above, you're still dealing with the 4g94 block which isn't a super duper tuning block, doesn't have v-tec/mivec to pump it up, is SOHC, and leans more towards torque than it does horsepower. On pump gas, you're looking at running tops of 18-19 PSI of boost and then you're just cresting the 300HP mark, maybe a little more with ported/polished/bored everything!

Anyways, just be realistic and your lancer will treat you right. If you have a super duper budget and are aiming sky-high like 600+ HP, you're gonna have to get a different car/engine to build on.

Cheers, and welcome to the boards!

 

your best option is to call Road Race Motorsports and talk to them. They build the best turbo kits. I plan on going for 300hp at the end of summer and im gonna use the RRM Stage 2 kit most likely.
So get in touch with them and they will tell you how you can do what you want. They are currently working on a 400hp Lancer.

 

It seems to me that you need to do more reading and research before you make such bold statements!!!! The lancer motor and honda motor are way different!!! The main things that hold the lancer motor back is the MAF sensor and rod and piston combo. Anything over the 10 psi range and your playing with fire when it comes to the rods.

Compare the prices of the lancer parts to honda parts. You can buy all engine parts to rebuild a honda motor for $1500. Thats just the cost for rods and pistons for lancer! If your going to spend a ton of money on oz lancer why dont you just sell it and get an evo. Id make way more sense. Its the same car with 3 times the power!!

 

^Agreed, you really need to do some readings before you make a right old *** of yourself. A lot of people are doing the "right" setup and are pushing 7+ psi, 200+ hp and sub-15 second times. You cannot run 7 psi on a non-intercooled kit, the heat is simply too high and you'll damage the motor.
I really hope you reconsider making you're own kit since it seems to me that you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Evo General?

I think the psi output depends a lot on WHICH turbo you're using... small turbo, high PSI... big turbo, low PSI

 

You should ask in the Lancer forums down below. This is Evo General - it's a lot different when turbocharging an N/A motor...

You can't run high boost because the motor is not built internally to handle boost. You can run bigger boost if you build the motor with forged internals and use an intercooler, but your particular engine is not as good as those Honda engines you reference, so you can't expect to make as much power. Why did you say they are almost the same motor? Your motor is nothing like a Honda motor. Just saying that makes me fear for your car's future. If you don't know the difference in wastegates, I don't suggest trying to turbo your car. You need to do a lot more research before even considering this, and reading up on the difference between an IG and EG is one of the things you should do.

 

ill eat subi's all day long on my gsxr1000..... so kick rocks, dicks! and what the **** do you think i asked about the wastegates for? mmmmmm, maybe to learn!so next time you decide to be a smartass, maybe you could just **** off unless you actually want to help me! not everyone has the money and resources you have! btw i know where i posted at!

 

In Subi's defense, Warrtalon is condescending in a lot of posts he makes in which he states an opinion that differs from another's. Not to say that he isn't knowledgable, he just isn't willing to "put up with" people harboring opinions different than his own. :-(

In Warrtalon's defense... at least he didn't make a fool of himself like you did in the above post.

 

I don't have a problem with differing opinions. I have a problem with lazy people who want to be spoonfed.

Nice response by the thread originator. Asking people to give you an answer is not how you learn. You learn by RESEARCHING and finding the answer, then based on the info you find, you formulate more specific questions to fill in the missing pieces. I was not being a smartass at all - just trying to help - but your response shows you deserve all the smartass answers possible. If you know where you posted, then why do you not understand that it's the wrong place?

 

because i was trying to get someone else besides the lancer guys input! i see where that got me though! next time i wanna learn how to research, ill come ask warrtalon for help!

 

I was just joking bro,get some,pistons and rods,and run 22 pounds!your lancer would be a beast!

 

Thread merged, light cleaning.

 

You should have just delete the thread all together!!! LOL

 

Believe me, the thought crossed my mind. The original poster is clearly having some problems following site rules.

Deleting it wouldn't help, though. At least this way, he still has a chance to ask more questions and try to get on the right track.