Prove it.....

This motor is a lot stronger than you think. The CVT (aka the crappy tranny) will blow before the engine will. Everything is stronger than the previous lancers.

 

I know they're stronger than previous Lancers. Sorry for my vagueness, what I was trying to say, is that the stock internals aren't going to handle as much as a car that is turbo already. I am actually impressed with what the 4b11s can do, especially the 4b11t. I wasn't trying to say these engines are weak by any means.

And yeah, I wouldn't turbo a CVT unless I was trying to break it. Hence I don't plan on doing so. I was considering it at one point, but I realized that it was probably not a good idea. Especially because the car is my DD and I need the warranty somewhat intact.

 

Wouldn't a SC be less stressful on the cvt??? Not saying its the best idea in the world to do, but considering the way both the cvt and sc work wouldn't that be the "safest" way in theory of forced induction for a cvt?

 

This is just theory spinning but i think a Turbo would be more friendly. because of the slight lag it would allow for a more gradual application of power... whether that power is too much thats a different story.

 

its been proven already that the CVT can take much more power than right now...nobody knows exactly the limit as of right now but we know that the trany can safely run an extra 40 to the wheels..its just nobody knows the limit..i dont even think theres a range of how much it can actually take..could be 180whp..could be 280whp.. if i had the money id see how much it could take before i blew it..but right now i dont have 5 gs to throw into a new tranny

 

Yeah, you're right. The only thing is how will the reliability and overall life of the tranny be affected? We could throw a huge turbo on it bump it up to 280hp (At the wheels) and have it work fine for a few weeks, but after that who knows. You know what I'm saying?

 

The CVT may handle 180 WHP and up... The question is: How long can it handle those numbers? I would say that the supercharger is a little safer only because there is no lag on there. With the turbo you would have 2psi and jumping up to 8 or even 10 psi would put a lot of strain on the CVT. The supercharger would have what ever psi from beginning to end(depending on style of supercharger).

 

I will go for a supercharger instead of Turbocharger. Meth Kit on the GTS and TransCooler would be the best option if running those Force Induction.

 

yeah exactly. we'd need a team to test it for a couple of months..maybe pushing the car every day to insure that the tranny is ok..i dont know much about the tranny and if theres anyway that it gives off signs that its becoming weak or about to break...kinda like in a MT when the clutch is wearing

 

well im hoping you guys who are looking at turbos for your cvt will be counting on the cvt holding up, because with how long ive been tuning and building turbo 4 bangers in theory for every pound of boost you get a 10% gain. and with the rrm or extreme bolt ons theyre running 5-8 lbs so youre already looking at the tranny trying to hook up close to 280 on that little of boost

 

280.... when did rrm say anything about 280. They claimed i think 205-210 at the most with their kit. please someone correct me if I'm wrong but i don't think 280 is the number people are shooting for with rrms kit.

 

280 HP at the flywheel would equal about 210 at the wheels. From what I have heard... If pushed too hard, the trans will go into "Limp Mode"(neutral) untill the belt is cool enough to grab again. Trans cooler would help alot. But, Back to the subject, that is where I think the supercharger would come in. You wouldn't have the stress of hard hitting boost off and on.

 

SCs, Turbos, whatever comes out for the Lancer is good with me

 

okay RRM showed an approx. 235BHP and 205 WHP... and thats facts. about a 30 hp loss through drivetrain. So anyone who wants to bash this post.. look through their posts and find the dyno sheet.

 

Past dynos on the 08 GTS 5spd have revealed a ~12% loss through the drive train (~134hp to the wheels vs 152hp at the crank). The CVT is probably close to double that..

The 09 2.4L 5spd should carry the same percentage since it's the same damn ugly transmission. It doesn't scream quality, that's for sure. The power loss is within acceptable limits.

205whp is exactly what this car needs -- a nice bump of 56hp.





then the transmission explodes.