exactly,tuning is everything with a turbo and some good tuning without a doubt this will be faster than the ralliart and maybe give a evo a run for its money on the drag..

its just on the track where the evo and the ralliart will rip us apart

 

If after market Heads, Head gaskets, cams, exhaust valves, pistons, bearings, intake/ exhaust manifolds ect. come out for the 4B11T, couldn't we just swap those over and essentially have a stronger engine than a stock 4B11T (Or the same as a rebuilt 4B11T)?

 

well based on my knowledge (which is probably not a very credible source on this topic...)

the 4B11T is the same but the internals are better. so if we replace our internals with better ones.. we'll be good to go and potentially better off than the evo (assuming we've turbo'd, if you're considering that into the picture when comparing these engines).

On another note... this probably isn't necessary.. but just thoguht i'd throw it in...
the 09 GTS with the 4B12 is exactly like the RA (for the 04-06 models) compared to the the ES and the OZ (not in terms of car/engine, but in and analagous comparison to eachother)

 

Theoretically, yes. The 4B11T is the same motor, just beefed up. But all the parts should fit the same.

 

Cool, so in the past, how much have Heads, Head gaskets, cams, exhaust valves, pistons, bearings, intake/ exhaust manifolds, and turbo kits cost? Are we looking at about $17k in parts and $4k labor? If so, I think it would be worth it considering evo x guys will still have to buy the same parts, except they had a higher base price tag ($35k vs. $23k(GTS)). We still won't be able to drive without wheel spin tho.

 

There is a very interesting article in this months turbo magazine. Tomei goes into depth about the 4b11t engine. Turbo and High-Tech Performance This is part one from last month they dont have part two up yet but i found it to be some good reading

 

so is it possible to "beef up" this engine or is it not even worth it

 

From what I gather, its defiantly possible to beef up this engine, but it will cost alot. Almost everyone will say just trade in your car for an evo, but I think I might rebuild my entire engine with stronger parts and get more HP than an Evo X. Then I'll do a tranny swap, new axles, maybe RWD conversion, i dunno, but I only want to spend ~$20k modding this car. Of course thats going to be in a few years.

 

Plan for $5k on turbo. $2k for head work. $500 for cams. Maybe $1-2k more for pistons, rods, bearings, etc. Maybe another $1k for the IM and header. For everything you mentioned, you're getting close to $10k plus labor. Trading in for an Evo will probably be more cost-effective, but some people like to make the Lancer fast. Up to you.

No wheel spin with an LSD and good rubber. Unless you have CVT, but I doubt you're planning a monster CVT car...

Possible? Yeah.
Worth it? Hmm. Depends.

Upgrading the rods, pistons, crank, valvetrain, etc. will be easy as cake. BUT that still leaves a weak point - the deck. The 4B11 is open deck, the 4B11T is closed deck. Closed deck is much stronger.

Just an example (taken from Subaru motors) \/ It's easy to see which one would be stronger and which one might suffer from shattered cylinders...

Open deck:


Closed deck:


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Now, you can upgrade the pistons and rods and be pretty damn turbo-ready. But if you truly want a big-boost monster, you'll want that closed deck head.

 

I thought the 4B11T was a semi-closed deck and right now I have a CVT, but I would do a tranny swap to maybe a 6 speed clutch or a TC-SST (If possible) if I decided to go for that much performance. I doubt I can get a TC-SST to work right in the lancer due to programming

 

I seriously wonder how ANY tranny swap would work with all the electronics in the car...

It might be semi-closed, but the difference is still there. Big boost = crack, then boom.

 

I would honestly like to see a shop go all out with this motor just to see how far they can push this engine.

I'm not talking about the average joe, but an actual shop wanting to toy around and try to create a FWD evo

 

Good luck with that, the 2003 lancer only had one shop going "all out" and I haven't heard about any new mods in years now. Shops are driven by the market which is why they generally have "tuner" cars as their shop cars (ie. STis, Evos, Supras, Skylines, etc). They're not going to spend thousands building a car that will only be respected by a tiny group of die-hard fans.

 

yes amby...i was talking about the 08's since it's a new engine and all


and i totally underrstand about paying more attention to "tuner" cars such as the STI, evo, s2000 etc as shop cars.....as i posted in a previous thread around here somewhere


But i would just like to see a shop or company try to test the limits of the 08 lancer.....heck who knows...maybe it'll get as much of a fan base as the civic base a year or 2 from now

 

People were saying the exact same things 5 years ago when I joined. I'm sorry but no car will replace the civic in terms of fan base. Part of the reason why the civic is where it is today is because it helped create the whole tuner market. The best that the new generation can realistically hope for is slightly more than what the last generation had.