Go Boe its your birthday we're gonna party like its ur birthday. Thats what I was gonna say. He doesnt have NOS on his car and his car is sick. He will murder his last time now with all his new stuff. And have fun t3/t4lancer breaking your pistons

 

Ok all of you guys are reading what im writing wrong. No matter what anybody says a t28 turbo is small. As to the 240sx we do many sr20 swaps at our shop. Yes you can make a car fast using that turbo, but it is not efficiant enough for high horsepower i.e. 300+hp. Call turbonetics and ask them, a t28 is a good start but what im saying is if you want to get some real power and break into 12's with a sohc lancer, a t28 by itself will not do it. As to my car like I said before I am stock internals using a t3/t4 with no slicks and am running 14.12@98mph, now if I can do that with stock internals this car with built motor will be extreamly fast. Im not knocking anybody or any shop. Tell the truth im selling my lancer and the reason why I posted anything on this site so people can see that you dont have to use a t28 turbo on the lancer, you can use anything you want if you can build it. To the worlds fastest lancer, I have a lot of respect for you car, but you and I both know that if you want to get down in times eventualy you will have to upgrade your turbo. Im not even a big mitsu fan like I said before I bought this car as a daily driver, and when I was getting beat all the time I built the kit, and when I saw that world record was only 13.83@101 I knew that I could, with the right amount of work take the title. Im not a die-hard lancer buff, but I love cars, but no matter what anybody says if you are a die hard drag racer then a t28 is to small. look at any pro-drager not one uses a t28. Dynamic Motorsports is a performance shop, they dont deal with body kits, steros, or neon lights. They only deal with performance parts, engin swaps etc... I have read many things on this site and noticed that everyone was useing the same thing. To me thats boring. So I gave my opnion. I feel the same way about honda, everybody has one. All im saying is you chose a unique car, if your putting the effort into turboing the car and your going to race it and you are serious about it thenyou know the just buying a part that someone sells will never get the times at the track that are worth talkin about. I understand that you have the worlds fastes lancer but the time is easily beaten, and it pains me to say it because I hate honda, but and b16a with turbo kit will spank our cars all day long at the track. If anybody has any doubt about that I openly invite you to call, or stop into Dynamic Motorsports. 717-502-8535. The people there will be more than happy to strap their car down to the dyno and go to the track and run all day. Thats what we do. But in lancers defence we only have a sohc motor and no v-tec, so right off the bat we are at a dissadvantage. I will say I do like how all of you guys stick together. We go to the track every weekend and anybody who would like to come and run their cars are more than welcom. We are not a hater shop, we encourage anybody no matter what they drive to come and run their cars. Thats why we bulid them. We are going to the track next weekend so this is an open invite, if you have questions or need direction feel free to call Brian @Dynamic Motorsports tell him you read the invite on this site and Paul told you to call. He will be more than happy to help you. I understand that all of you guys are very defensive about your cars and the parts you put on them. But remember there is always someone faster. We have fully buit drag cars that run low11's some even high10's but there are a ton of people who can beat any time that we lay down. Everbody wants to believe their car is fast, and I may have bveen miss-informed about the worlds fastest lancers parts but fact is fact his time is 13.83@101 now he has an intercooler great get back to the track and get some new times and post them. Give the people something to go for. But dont get mad at me for saying that t28 is to small you will see that there is a limit that it can go. And trust me it wont take you as far as you think it will. You may clock a low 13 or even a very high 12 but in the race world that is not a hard time to beat. Again someone said something about my manifold like I said before the reason we used an up-pipe was first of all money, it costs a lot to have a custom exhaust maifold made, the other reason I wanted to prove that it could fit with very little modification to the car, and if I did beat the record it would be using same technology as the current record holder. I never said that roadrace spent millions of dollars to design the kit, nor did I say that they werea huge shop. But they are a part supplier they build parts and sell them. We are just a performance shop we dont sell tons of product. We sell some turbo kits nos, clutches etc... What we do is make our customers cars go fast. Whether we have to custom make the part or order it thats what we do. We build race cars. If I had a bigger budget I would have done a lot more to this car. I do get a discount at the shop but labor is labor and materials are materials. I built this kit, including the intercooler, made my endtanks, and anyother part on this car, and I did it all for $1300. So for what I have into itand the times I run, and only 2 tenths of a second away from the record then I must be doing something right. I am selling the car it is listed localy but until it sells I will keep working on it, and I HOPE to show everyone that the car can run on 12psi with t3/t4 on stock internals and be reliable enough to take the record. Im pretty sure that when we tune the car on the dyno for 12psi we can get 240+ hp. Like I said I am inviting anybody who would like to race their car at the track we rent it every saturday for testing and tuning our cars. We also have a dynojet at our shop so if you want to dyno your car stop by.

 

ok blah blah blah.....most of the turbo lancer's out there are not trying to build "drag" lancers. anyone with time and money can make this car extreamly fast with a big turbo. no one does tho cuz it will cost a **** load of money and its not really practical....

also...a t3 super 60 already has been installed on a lancer...check out hobiekopek....a much better designed kit IMO and once he gets his EMS runnin perfect he will have a good competing car...

just wait and see what i have in store for this car...

 

hay everybody, I didn't want this to turn into a WHOS TURBO is better, all I was asking was a little imput about RIPP's Supercharger, and weigh the differences between a turbo lancer, and a supercharged lancer.....can we please get back to the subject.....I could car less if a car is running a T28 or a T3/T4

 

lol yes good idea.....

 

hm
pretty impressive to make it that fast for 1300 bucks

 

True you did want a breakdown of it and a battle began... it began due to different turbo theories though which is a big difference between turbo and SC's... there are many different turbos but only few makes of SC's... which SC's run very similiar to eachother and Turbos have distinct differences... a BIG T-28 which is used in the RRM kit is capable of 22 thermally peak psi...meaning after that it is getting to hot to flow to be advantagious.... also the BIG T-28 has a cfm rating of 405cfm at peak pressure...this is supportive of 450HP. A T3/4 are different in peak thermals and are capable of 25psi. Althought they are rated at only 348cfm without little tricks. They are capable of 500hp applications and tend to spool earlier than the Big T-28 if tricked out. Many intracacies in the turbo world lead to arguments/debates over which turbo is better in the turbo side of the house. End result is a car with 9psi intercooled on T3/4 put 200whp and 205wtq down where a 7psi non-intercooled on Big T-28 put 200whp and 217wtq down. My best after intercooled with all my stuff at 9psi has been 225whp/5450rpm at 237wtq/4770rpm. Thus by looks it seems Big T-28 is better?? At this point yes but as you get closer to the peak efficience one will taper off(Big T-28) and the other will gain(T3/4). This is where application comes in and boost level maxes need to be set. If your going for all out 30+psi you'll need to view a turbo for that application... if you want 12psi max then thats another turbo issue. Turbo's have spool issues and rating issues... SC's have draining issues on low end due to the torque eaten up by turning the SC. Either way its a give and take on both... if you want a true opinion you'll have to see the SC's version of the lancer then the Turbo'd version(S) and decide on those facts. Basically most of the turbo facts are out and limits exposed. As for the different turbo's out there you'll have to go with your gut on who's is best. Use that decision against the SC and make your final decision. Just take your time even though the want is great you'll be happier spending your money wisely on a well researched kit then on a whim! Good luck and sorry your post turbned out like this... if you turn it around you'll see there is a lot of info for your thoughts here instead of a lot of aguementative comments.

 

Yeah sorry the thread went a little OT here but t3/t4lancer just had to always put in his 2 cents in how is car is going to blow up. RRM's new drag Lancer will show us whats up with the potential of our car. Anywayz back on subject I was in the same decison of turbo or super and Im going with turbo just because I know I can trust RRM and they are close. I know you are close to Ripps so that probably does help out a little. I was asking all sorts of questions like what gets better gas mileage, hp, etc and really they are so close to eachother that its all on personal preference. But the only thing you have to do whenever you choose and get it is to take pics.

 

Second that

 

Thank you guys, I'm glad this got on track, and Boe, thanks for being the one to do it. If I go turbo, RRM is the way I'm going, their stuff does seem to be proven very well...and I have no want or need to put a T3/T4 on this little motor..What do I want to do...blow it up!!
But just to give you guys a little back round of my experience with cars..I'm not new to this at all, in fact, I've been tuning cars for about 10 years now...just VERY new to Mitsubishi’s.
The first two cars I have worked on were two American classics, the first a 1968 Shelby Cobra GT (never Raced, just driven on Sundays), completely restored back to stock, and a 1970 Dodge charger (HEMI) that put out 885 whp, and 907 wtq (9.085) all motor (well...Super charged) they were both cars that me and my dad built.
The first Import I worked on was a 1993 Honda delsol, we did a motor swap from a J-spec Integra Type R (B16C)(VTEC), with a T3/T4, and 100 Direct port NOZ, forged everything, port & Polished everything, full exhaust (no cat), and way to much other stuff to mention, or I would be here all night typing. (10.955)
(I wrecked that one on the track 2 years ago.... total loss)

I just wanted the best advice from you guys...lancer guys!!, I don't want to be the fastest lancer out there, it's just that this is the slowest car I have ever driven and I don't really know a lot about Supercharging Japanese cars.

and as to the install questions..I have never worked on a Mitsu, and honestly...I'd like to pros to do it...as to working on my old honda...hell, who doesn't know how to work on a honda?!?!

so everyone let me hear your best advice...super or turbo???

 

Yeah, I'm the one with the T3 Super 60 and airlinevomitbag is in the process of building his T3 (not sure of compressor trim though as it's a secondhand build). I haven't tracked my car and I don't even ask about dyno charts anymore because I'm still having problems with boost cut/fuel cut. At the moment I'm working on that issue (with my laptop at work )

I still haven't seen Blazen's car, but I HAVE seen a RIPPMODS SDS on a similar engine (4cyl Galant). The guy was very content with his setup. I believe it took them about a week or a week and a half for him (I'm guessing it was a one-off). The engine bay looks beautiful, the car sounded beautiful, but I did not get to go for a ride or anything. For what it's worth, I think Ross and his crew have a very nice setup going for them. I hope they make some loot off it and much credit to them for helping out our bunch.

Has he release pricing on the SDS yet or is it still being debugged/troubleshot? If you do go to RIPPMODS, holla when you make plans, cuz I'd love to come by and check it out if you and Ross don't mind.

 

HobieKopek, if I go with RIPP I will let ya know, and I'll give you a drive in it too. I'm still trying to make up my mind thought, I love the Idea of a supercharged lancer, but I kinda miss driving turbo...I just don't know yet.... the wife is trying to talk me out of it all together, she wants to go on another vacation to the Caribbean. All she keeps saying is "you don't even race anymore, I thought you gave that up after you wrecked the del sol" she could car less about cars (as long as it has 4 wheels, and a motor it's alright with her)...guess that's why she drives a stock Civic..LOL

But I'll keep everyone posted on which way I go.

 

t3/t4 you got a pm . . .

 

lets say you buy the turbo from RRM, and thats 3000$ non-intercooled i think... right? is there anything else u need right then and there also... like a turbo timer or boost guage too? b/c i will probably have around 3g in a couple months, but i wanna know if i should save like 4g for other stuff like a turbo timer .. or is that not neccasary right away?

thanks

 

Basic kit needs nothing.... even the timer isn't needed as you can just wait with the car running for a minute or two before shutting off and leaving it. With the price of the kit always increasing i'd buy that now then buy the goodies later... thier prices usually go down or you find them on ebay for cheaper. My suggestion anyways...

Thanks IUP200... hope the info was beneficial to all and glad to see things are on track again!