Every One, I need a little help here.... I have recently come into a little extra cash...$3500 to be exact, I have been waiting so long for this day, the day I could afford to give my lancer some real power...intake, exhaust and headers, just don’t cut it anymore.

I'm trying to choose between the RRM non-intercooled turbo kit, and RIPPS supercharger system. They both seem to give about the same power output (RIPPS website says they got 187 WHP on an Auto). Mines a 5 speed.

I like the Idea of supercharging, because the power is throughout every rpm...not waiting till 3000 like a turbo.
I'm just a little unsure about long-term, RIPP has supercharged what, like 2 or 3 lancer, and I've seen a bunch of you guys with turbo...

One thing that is pushing me closer to RIPP is that I could drive up to their shop on a weekend, and have it done.... (I live about 30 minutes north of Philadelphia), so a trip up to NYC would not be a real problem.
RRM is all the way out in Santa Fe Springs California. I would have to have it shipped to me, and have someone around here do it...to tell the truth, that kind of freaks me out...I don't know of anyone in the Philadelphia area that knows how to work on lancers, or has even tried to work on them.

So everyone please help me make up my mind, and if anyone knows someone in the Philadelphia area that could do the Turbo install for me, let me know.

Thanks

 

Guess I'll just post something my self, to get this back on the front page where everyone can see this..........come on people, give me some imput

 

RRM's turbo kit is VERY easy to install. Plus RRM is always available for phone walk-thru's. I know how you feel though, I'd rather get it installed by the maker....go with the charger....you won't be dissapointed, plus you can keep the current header and stuff as is.

 

I'm in the same boat as you. Just finished clearing up my credit card. Ripp said when they actually start to sell there kit they will have a good discount. I'm just waiting on price. I saw the tester and I like it. On the other hand RRM's turbo has already been proven. the turbo spools by 2500 rpm and should be at full boost by 3500rpm. The supercharger does steal torque but as a longer and smoother powerband making for less wear on clutches and trannies. Don't just go by numbers. Drive or get a ride in a turbo car and a supercharged car and see what you like better. Butt don't use poor examples, like a civic with a T-4 that will be spitting and backfiring all over the place.

 

thanks for the imput...I've driven both supercharged and turbo cars before...but both bad examples like you had mentioned...(a 70 dodge charger with a hemmi and subercharged...and all the other goodied...885 WHP...my dads old track car), and a trubo Honda del Sol, with a J-Spec Integra Motor swap, and T3 turbo...My old track car......(yes you can all yell and screem and make fun of me now, I use to own a honda...but like my quote says....."save the world...Kill a honda"...just like I did.....Doing 130 down the track, and blew a tire...."KILLED THE HONDA"...but hay really how many of us have owned a honda any way......

but I think I'm going to go with RIPP....I emailed them last week, and they said you can buy the SDS for the lancer now.....the told me a price of somewhere between $2600 and $3500

 

a $900 price margin? thats pretty big, lol, but also, liquidlancer might be in your area, he does turbo installs, infact he's going to be doing mine, i believe that makes 4 plus his own, he's in the north east NJ, just some more input

 

hey... i have the RIPP SDS and my car is a 5 speed so i dont know where u read that an auto made the 187whp cause it was my car and it is stick... but anyway i love it the power is always there the sound is great and the guys at RIPP really know their **** and they r very professional in the way they do business. and the 187whp is only the base numbers.. that was with a tune to just make the car run smooth... in the next few weeks i intend to bring it back to them so that they can do a real power making tune on it. so the SDS is deff worth the money and id say since your already pretty close to nyc ur better off just goin to RIPP to get you **** done by them instead of ordering the rrm turbo and getting some other people to install it for you... if u got any questions on the SDS feel free to PM me and ill answer all the questions i can...

 

I tried posting before but im not sure what happened. Anyway. I have a turbo kit like no other. It was custom made and professionaly installed by Dynamic Motorsports and myself. It uses a t3/t4 s-trim turbo and it makes a ton of power.
Kit contents:

Turbonetics t3/t4 turbo withv-band clamp
Turbonetics delta gate wastegate
Spearco front mount intercoller
MF2 additional injector controller
4-440cc injectors
Walboro fuel pump
HKS blow off valve
and a whole lot of custom pipeing

Nobody currently makes a kit for us lancer with t3/t4.
I am currently only 2tenths of a second away from taking the worlds fastes lancer title away from roadrace. And I would have got the record last weekend if I had some slicks and a boost controller. Currently im running 14.12@98mph on 9psi. I can run more (and plan to) but keep it there for street driving. I make 200hp and 205torq at the wheels on 9psi. I have all the time slips, and video, and will happily dyno thr car in front of any non-belivers. I think that roadraces times are sad for haveing a built motor and nos. My car has stock internals and I only have turbo and look at my times. But I have the privllage of haveing the owner of Dynamic Motorsports as a roomate. Im located in mechanicsburg pa. So if your looking for a kit and dont want to pay roadraces prices, and run slow times then e-mail me at italy3541@comcast.net. Im not a vendor im just a guy who know how to build fast cars. I have seen a lot of people post hp ratings, and a lot of people want real #'s for lancers well I can tell you using a tiny t28 will not give you the power need to take on a honda. Like it or not taking a b16a with lowcompression head gasket and running 14 psi makes 300+hp, we do it all the time at my shop. The # by my car are real #'s not sugar coated. We are going to re-dyno the car with the new boost level 12psi on stock internals we predict arond 230 or so for hp, and around 240 for torq I willrepost when we do this. We are trying to see how far you can push stock internals on a us spec lancer. If you guys are serious about building your cars then dont waste time with small turbos, a good rule of thumb is go big or go home, if you want to take on honda's, and you only have a sohc lancer you need more than a t28, trust me.

 

Stock internals...12 psi...good luck. It'd be nice to see if it can hold, but i have major doubts 'bout that. As for putting down RRM, all of their work is bulletproof...they stand by anything they do and all of their work is proven. When our cars only rev to 6, most of us dont wanna wait for a larger turbo to start spooling up. Bigger is not always better, and in the case of a turbo, this holds true.

 

eww your turbo kit is nasstyy....and i made 201 wheel hp and 211 tq at 8psi with my RPW kit with a t-28 ball bearing turbo ...and i was able to keep my A/C and have beautiful piping which was all neat and straight . seems like your not too experienced with turbos or your would know that the t-28 can easily handle 12 psi...it can handle 15 psi max without blowing hot air. having a bigger turbo doen't mean it will give you more HP with the same boost.....boost is boost. all it means is you'll get more lag. sure you might be able to flow more CFM's but it doesn't matter on such a small engine unless you boosting 20+ psi.

i give your engine another month before you break your pistons. i mean damn....the rods are soooo thin! i'm scared to even hold 6 psi on a lancer after seein pics of the rods...which can only hold like 13 psi....but the pistons only like 10 psi...and thats only once or twice....not all the time.

here is an idea...learn some more about turbo's before you start runnin your mouth about this and that! oh yeah...and get a better designed kit.

 

they didnt make a new manifold for the turbo?? it looks like your using the stock one... wouldnt a better flowing manifold be better? saying that its like a giant turbo compared to the the t28?

in my opinion.. i see nothing wrong with t-28.. i agree with zlancer... but the fact that someone was able to put on a t3t4 is nice too.. it just shows that people can be creative... good luck with the car....i think you guys will need it... 12psi on stock internals... thats hard...

 

I think you all have what I posted wrong. And yes bigger isnt always better, but I see a lot of people talk about beating hondas and unless you guys are racing people who dont know how to drive, or their cars are slow, you will not beat a b16 with a low compression head gasket running 14psi. My friends shop specialises in honda performance and the are getting 300hp out of every motor swap and turbo kit they do to these cars. To answer the statement of my turbo spools slow, you are wrong, im fully spooles at 2900 rpm, and your t28 turbos fall flat on top end. The reason for building the kit with t3/t4 is for when I build the motor. You will hear no arguement from me about the weak internals of a lancer but im running 9psi all day long and have been doing so for 6 months. When I do pump up the boost to 12psi im pretty sure that it will break, but not before I take the record. Roadrace is a awesome company but I think what they do to the lancer could be much improved. If they only run a 13.83 with built motor and nitrous fogger then something is wrong. You can defend them all you want, probaly because you have their kit, but all the work on my car was done by me and my friends at Dynamic Motorsports. A comment of a ugle kit was made, but you must remember that I didnt purchase my kit from a huge company that spent a ton of mony developing the kit. It was hand made and built buy my friends and I, and the #'s I put down are more than respectable. Someone listed that they have 211hp, thats all well and good but remember that you are going to fall short when you build the motor and get serious about your car. The cfm that a t25 produces will fall short. Thats why we are using a t3/t4 so when we can push serious boost the turbo wont fall short in top end. Someone said that I must not know much about turbos, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, I dont claim to know everything, or even a lot but I know what I see at the track. I go all the time, we rent the track to test and tune our cars, and everything we build is first tested on the dyno. So remember even though you turbo is fulley spooled at whatever rpm, it doesnt matter how much boost you have or how big, or little your turbo is, it comes down to the cfm of the turbo. And anyone will tell you that for drag racing t28 is much to small it will fall off in top end. So even if your cars takes off realy fast just remember that a 1/4 mile is much longer than it seems and the car that you call laggy will spool and not drop out in top end. Im not here to argue, I gave an opnion, and believe that I can help a lot of people with their lancers. If you want to go past just bolting on a turbo kit and get serious about racing more work needs to be done than just a kit. I wrote the #'s of my car down to show everyone that a t3/t4 can be fit. As to the a/c we could have saved it but when I mounted the new radiator I drilled threw the line, thats why it is not in. So we decided to angle the turbo to give it a different appearance. Like I said we dont have a bunch of lancers at our shop, it is mostl a honda, and eclipse shop. My car was purchased as a daily driver, but when I kept getting challenged to race is when I decided to turbo the car. Anybody from this area knows who Dynamic Motorsports is we are an independent company who started the way most people did, as friends who liked cars. Any people who are in the PA area should stop down to the shop and just talk to the guys their and you will see that these guys are serious racers. We dont realy build cars for just driving around, we build drag cars, thats why I said a t28 is to small. Also you may have seen the eclipse that we helped build in Superstreet, Well for people who know what im talking about the car is back at our shop getting a whole new setup on it. Watch out for it next season. The reson we didnt use a different manifold was because first of all money, im building this on a very tight budget, secon because roadrace uses this set up and we want to take the record clean, so that means tring to build it the same way just better. Also the eewww comment im not that good of a welder but I think for ding this myself its pretty dam good. Can you say you built your pipeing? If I would have had dynamic build it it would have been much cleaner, but remember everything costs money and I didnt have the money to have them build it so I did. Ask your self a question did you build your kit or buy it?

 

Building it yourself doesnt mean its better...
Also that time that was posted for boe (the fastest us lancer) was before he was intercooled. So right now hes probably running low 13s. i think in one of his posts he was running at 234 whp or somewhere near that. So if your planning on taking the record, you have some work to do.

 

Nice to see more people / companies going forced induction on the Lancer. My only probablem though is you saying RRM is a huge company with tons of money, thats just plain untrue. Second, if a T-28 isnt big enough, please go tell that to all the SR20 equiped 240s out there running 12s. Honestly, changing the turbo from a T-28 to a T3/T4 isnt going to "much improve" RRMs kit, like you said you wanted. You really want to trump their kit, build an a true turbo exhaust manifold. I understand RRM doesnt have one because of costs of the kit, but I mean I see this as RRMs weakest link, not the fact they use T-28s. Just my opinion though,

Good luck with the car, and if you did the piping yourself, very very nice job. Keep us updated on the car.

 

One big piont to make is that i wasn't using nos at all... never have used nos and turbo... was non-ic'd at 9psi on slicks... Now i'm ic'd on 9psi w/slicks, ecu, some stage 2 items. Good luck on the times and the record but get some facts straight first before you go saying whats on my car... hell its in my signature for crying out loud... i will never put nos on my car again due to 2 bad experiences with it before turbo install.