Do I really need a sub?
no, dont get a sub, i used to have one and they are a pain in the ***. just get a full component system. here are some from crutchfield http://www.crutchfield.com/S-0GUHrex...=410&o=p&avf=N
but i think that the best component system is the alpine type r, provides you with standard speaker size subs, for the bass you desire, and then tweeters for your treble http://www.crutchfield.com/S-0GUHrex...0&I=500SPR17LS
but i think that the best component system is the alpine type r, provides you with standard speaker size subs, for the bass you desire, and then tweeters for your treble http://www.crutchfield.com/S-0GUHrex...0&I=500SPR17LS
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Originally Posted by wiretap
Stock speakers are decent, but they won't sound good at all compared to a nice set of component speakers. Component speakers have a so called "sub" underneath a tweeter, or another smaller speaker. So, out of one nice component speaker you will get a little to a medium amount of bass, and good high range too. Its like having a tweeter and really nice speaker all in one. They draw a lot of power, so you would probably need a 4ch amp. Plus if you get some nicer ones, they can be up to 200 dollars or more for a pair, and you need 2 pairs. My friend had a set of pioneers, I forget which model (they were yellow CF looking). His system was soooo loud you could barely stand it. Plus it was nearly distortion free. Thats the difference. Again, Polk Momo makes awesome speakers for components too, but they are expensive as hell.. my neighbor has his car's component speakers by polk momo, and it is the nicest, clearest sounding system I've heard in person. (even out of all the car shows I've been too)
Well replacing the coaxials with components will improve the sound quality somewhat, but with the better speakers comes the need for more power to run the speakers efficiently. I would replace the front coaxials with components and replacxe the rears with a set of 2-3 way coaxials. Infinity Kappa Perfect series sound great.
Try that out and see how you like the sound. More than likley you are going to want more sound quality and clarity. Get a well matched 4-channel amp for the speakers and go from there.
If you really need more bass you can get a sub. It all depends on how you like your music.
Try that out and see how you like the sound. More than likley you are going to want more sound quality and clarity. Get a well matched 4-channel amp for the speakers and go from there.
If you really need more bass you can get a sub. It all depends on how you like your music.
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you cannot, I repeat cannot get sub-bass from a componant set.
componants are not a "sub and a tweeter" they're a midwoofer and a tweeter. there is a HUGE difference between a subwoofer and a midwoofer.
if you want componants that will produce lots of bass, then get a set of Resonant Engineering XXX componants, they have more displacement than many entry level subs, but they're HUGE, and you will need an amplifier to power them. your best bet is to get a good 8" subwoofer, the image dynamics ID8 is a great sub for filling in the low end, as is the resonant engineering RE8. Both have a low Fs (free air resonance) which means that they can play low notes very well and fill in the bottom end.
componants are not a "sub and a tweeter" they're a midwoofer and a tweeter. there is a HUGE difference between a subwoofer and a midwoofer.
if you want componants that will produce lots of bass, then get a set of Resonant Engineering XXX componants, they have more displacement than many entry level subs, but they're HUGE, and you will need an amplifier to power them. your best bet is to get a good 8" subwoofer, the image dynamics ID8 is a great sub for filling in the low end, as is the resonant engineering RE8. Both have a low Fs (free air resonance) which means that they can play low notes very well and fill in the bottom end.
If you want to go the easy route, get a sub that comes with a box designed for it, like this one. http://www.crutchfield.com/S-pab207h...0&I=2064TS10L7 Add a amp and wiring, and you are good to go.
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he wants extra bass, and people are telling him to get componants... a single small sub is a much better way to go if he wants more bass. componants will sound better than stock, but the sub will give him the extension he's looking for.
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if you dont want subs but love the mid bass and mid's then get diamondaudio hex series components. i will put my money on thoes components over a bunch of competitors, even focal. im not saying thoes suck, i just think its over priced. if you got the money to kill on thoes, then i know even better setups. i love mine and i'd sell my liver before i sell the diamonds. the only reason to sell it would be to upgrade to extreme compotition series toys
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theres nothing wrong with bass, but why have such a crazy sub system? ever heard someone comming down your block bumping hes system? all you hear is bass and chirping. if you build your system upon quality raher then quantity, you will so be amazed. when your friends dont even want to get out of the car or you can hear every detail in the track, it wont even matter what your playing, weither its stright instramentals or vocals, nothing matters. just hearing the very fine detail in the singers voice and breath is just something i can't explain. hearing the artist breath is easy to do, but tuning untill its very detailed something else...plain and simple, how many of you guys sick and tired of hard hitting bass? it ends up hurting your ears and everything. i admit, i used to be a bass freak untill i learned much more
subs are ghey, they are excessive weight that is added to most of our already struggling cars. just replace stock speakers with a component system, it will give you a good bit more bass than what you originally had, but not so much that people can hear from 4 blocks away. imo it is more pleasing to hear audio clearly rather than having a sub that produces so much bass that it drowns out any hint of treble that your system might have.
replacing the stock speakers, even with really nice comps or coaxials, will not do it. i say, get a sealed 10inch sub, push about 200-300 watts RMS to it, and replace the stock speakers with some $50/pair coaxials (something nice for the price). my profile has pics of my setup. any bigger than 10inch is added weight and space, any smaller and you loose range and thump.
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For a good sound system you gotta repalce everything from stock, we all know this. The 1 thing that will make the most difference from stock though is adding a dedicated subwoofer. It may only play 5-10% of music, but thats the part of the music you feel and sets the rhythm. After that, I'd say get a set of good components then a head unit if you can't get all of this at once.