it wont do it? i beg to differ, i dont really believe in subs all too much anymore. if i still had my previous car(240) and my friends was sitting in it right now, they'd laugh at that comment. don't get me wrong, subs are coo. but not needed. without a line driver/crossover/eq and without turning up the bass, i was able to pound out a good amount of mid's to highs. that 240 was my project car that i never finished and ended up selling for my car now. just to give you an idea what was in the car at the time.......only one set of coaxials, one set of components, alpine head unit, 4 ch amp, monster cables AND terminals all around, 2 gauge power supply, optima and etc. with only thoes combined, i got the clearity that i can't even explain. another note about subs...i personally dont know him, but a friend of a friend of mine got hes ALL speaker project car to hit 160+DB's without even pushing half the power of hes amp, is that enough bass for you? ^_^

 

don't get me wrong, i've heard 6.5s hit like 10s (in highly tuned boxes of course) but the acoustic placement in the lancer is not good at all, even for components. not to mention that its probably the same cost if not cheaper to just add a decent sub and coaxial setup run off the headunit and dedicated sub amp, not to mention an easier install. just my personal preference.

 

he said he like listening to techno. techno plays alot of bass. you componets, speakers, coaxals, woofers, tweeters, midrange play at a certain sound or freq. Sub are used to play a lower freq or sound than you speakers. nothing can replace a sub and nothing can replace your tweeters or mids or woofer. to have a good sound system you must have equal power of mids highs and lows.

silforty your a lier no componets can do 160 db. if you hit 160db on speakers you must have a lot of speakers like over 1000 speakers.it is not possible to pull even 120db on speakers alone. it took 20000 watts and 4 15's to do 160db. so dont tell me he got 160db cause thats a lie

if i was you i would go to your nearest car audio show and ask one of the sales man to hook you up with a very cheap subwoofer set up like a 10". i think 8" is a waste of money. they can set it up for you or you can do it your self. there is a how to on here that shows how to do it

 

nice install heres mine

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=147824

 

^---Oh, thats not my install. I was just giving an example of a clean little install. Here is mine below.



I like your setup as well, its simple and clean.

 

hahha, i love comments like thoes. im not trying to be rude or anything but.....i don't know what kind of equipment you buy but 120 is easy to hit. i hope i don't sound like a DB dragster, cause im not. im totally all in for the quality, not show or quantity. a little bit of hints as to what was used for what that person had.....escalade, custom trunk, original mosfet 1000(RF) and customized, zero gauge power cables, two optimas, with imported components/loud speakers. i have no idea how many speakers but it wasn't like your import showoff with a **** load of speakers. from what my friend told me, hes friend didn't even push half the power on the amp, there was no point. red dragon, if you knew anything about that amp, you should know it was the amp of all amps and pretty much still is, its known to bust alternators with ease, thats why it had to be modded. good amps like thoes and at that time aren't even amps, they were more like generators, thast what made them so crazy. how you think RF became one of if not the best audio company at the time. i wont give out any hints as to what was used, but all i can say is that most people dont even know who they are here in the states, but they make focals sound like kids toys. if you can even find that amp, its worth 2000+, so how can you tell me theres no way it can hit thoes numbers.120 db's....? thats nothing, my BOV in my car can almost hit that, dont believe me? ask the company themselves

as for the subs, i'd personally look into your budget. if you got enough, get 3 8's to save room and have a hard and tight hitting bass. 10's are nice too. depends what kind of music you like. if your into trance like me, then you would like a tighter hit, if your into hip hop and rock, then you might want to push the size a bit bigger.

all this talk about systems is making me miss mine. the day will come when i will resurrect my system project and finish it!

 

i would go with a 10 in if you dont want to turn heads.

 

you dont know any thing about quality music. to have quality music to must have equal mixture of highs, mids and lows. to have good quality music you need a subwoofer. your subwoofer are made to play low freq. and your speakers can not replace you sub. i am not saying you need 1000+ watt sub but with out subs you have not lows.
have you every seen a SPL truck? most SPL trucks dont have speakers. all they have is subs. and they are making only 160 - 170db. if speakers alone can do 160+ db, why dont you see SPL trucks just have plenty of high powed speakers? Cause speakers cant do 160. Most SPL trucks dont even have speakers. 120db it hard to do. you may think it is easiey but it is not. do you know how loud 120db is? and just because you have high quality powerful amps does not mean you can hit 160db. you amp does not make the sound. what makes sound it you is you subs, tweeters,mids,speakers,componets or what every you what to call them. so ya your friend has good amps so, he wont hit 160db on speakers. he may can hit 120db on speakers alone but i doubt it.
The guy said he wanted a little more bass. he did not say he wanted clarity so dont tell him to get speakers cause he will not be happy with it.

 

Silforty:

160 dB with just speakers? interesting... I know what that takes since, unlike you I have competed in SPL before. 160 dB is completely possible in an all speaker system, if you put the mic in the port of the woofer! and if you're using the old mic, someone did it with racks upon racks of 6x9's one time, hit a 163 or something.

WTF are you talking about with that old RF amp... with just those statements you've shown that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, you just believe whatever your "buddy" tells you. I meet lots of people like you at every show, they all have a "buddy" with the wildest, most badass, big-baller SUV and the most amazing system that sounds better than anything on the planet.
and NO amplifier ever operated as a generator... yes they can produce lots of power, but their operation is in no way even close to that of a generator. Anyone who would compare the two is a complete fool.

120 dB is easy to hit, many stock systems will hit a 120 if you push them. but to have clean, clear music at 120 dB is difficult.

That "you wouldn't even know what brand it was" BS is a pile of crap, I compete in high end car audio, and I've looked at every european, japanese and american brand and I bet I can name a few that you haven't heard of.

your BS only makes you look cool until someone calls you a liar, and shows everyone how much BS comes out of your wormy little mouth (or in this case keyboard)

 

SPL competitions? wow, this thread has really gotten off track, the thread orginator said he just wanted a system that was louder, he didnt want to waste all of his money on something that apparently several of you have.

 

Ok, what this guy needs is just a nice set of component speakers with a 4ch amp. Nothing overly huge. If not that, then just a 10'' or 12'' tight hitting sub in a nice custom box in the corner of the trunk. (fiberglass mold or wood, depending on price range). I thought he said he didn't want anything ultra flashy or nothing to the extreme, just good sounding music with good tight response for techno.

 

I agree. a nice set of components, and a decent 10" sub, or even a nice 8" would be perfect for him, and 90% of the people who want better sound.

My suggestion is go, listen to as many decent systems as you can, and decide what you're willing to pay for.

 

i would do components in the front, midrange in the back, and a 10" in the trunk.