That's double the HP. On a 2L motor, that won't be easy. You'd probably have to do everything. Full intake and exhaust, headwork, etc. Nitrous (if you count that as N/A) would help too.

 

i know but that my goal, but in the other hand if the money is there buy a evo X a mod it like the ams guys !

 

I am guessing by family friendly econobox you mean with good mpg. Then you say that by some aftermarket tuning you can get more hp and better mpg at the same time (modifying the fuel curves).

Since you will get better mpg, why this wasnt tuned at the factory (if we talk family friendliness wise)? Why werent the fuel curves optimized at the factory

Sorry for the questions but i am new at these stuff

 

Yes, goes for a good mix of HP and MPG.

Fuel curves aren't optimized from the factory because of the effect on the system. As you remove fuel (lean the mixture), you increase HP and MPG. This is a good thing for the user. BUT you also increase heat.

Believe it or not, the gasoline coming into the engine COOLS the combustion chamber. As the motor heats up to operating temperature (roughly 180 F), the intake air is passing through a hot engine bay and hot metal parts. When it gets to the combustion chamber, the air is HOT. And the combustion chamber is HOT from explosions. So the gasoline (which should be a lower temperature since it's in the gastank at the back of the car) cools down the combustion chamber. SOOOO, the less gasoline you use, the higher temperatures get. And if you've seen any Castol commercials lately, you'll know that heat is bad for your motor. It leads to oil breakdown, part damage, etc.

So to summarize, the more HP and MPG you create, the harder it is for the motor. And since gives you a 100,000 mile warranty, they want the motor to last for AT LEAST that long. So they factory tune is a mixture of good HP, good MPG and good lifespan.

EDIT - my hands hurt from typing now.
Or to quote Ringo Starr on Helter Skelter, I've got blisters on my fingers!

 

Ok i understand now thanks for your time..

But i knew there some tweak to the story...with those tuning you are shortening the lifespan of your engine in exchange for those better hp and mpg...hmmm cant have it all at the same time

as for me i prefer to preserve my engine so those ecu-mod stuff freak me out

 

Exactly right. When you get a "performance tune" for your car, you are generally making the car less reliable and lowering it's lifespan. Can't have the cake and eat it too.

 

You could also install a fuel cooler to help.

 

or some propane injection.

 

but to the point any other aid out there?

 

Um, that'd be great if the Lancer were a diesel.

 

I was wondering could we use an apexi afc or the neo on our cars? I have a few friends who have them and love them, i played around with em and they have a lot of features? What do you think?

 

It is also used in gasoline engines. If you really want me to show you someone running it I can. It lowers the charge temp and also increases the octane so that you can boost the crap out of the car without detonating.

 

A few people missed the boat here. An AFC isn't a miracle box like some people believe an increased bore and stroke for a 4 banger will produce similar gains like a small block V8 w/ a big displacement.

An AFC will never really max out the capacity of your mods. It's a moderate short cut in performance; if it's done right, you'll benefit from increased MPG.

The regular lancer isn't made to be top out in performance for the motor. Enginneers hamstring it for durability and MPG. The motor has to last at least for even 10 years worth of moderate neglect on maintenance.

Ex: you get an Evo but don't change the oil for every 7 or 9K in miles. How long will it last? I'm willing to bet that a regular lancer will last longer with moderate amount of neglect when comparing to an EVO. See the difference in performance envelope.


When my 4g93 was stock (auto), I would get 18-22 or 24 (rarely) MPG in the city and about 27-28 HWY (220-240 miles on a tank).

W/ mods, AFC, and mild amount of HP gains, I garnered a whopping 28-30 city MPG and about 34 HWY . . . topping out about 288 miles or 277 on average before the fuel light blinks for turning any corners. An auto tranny nearly gets as much miles to manual tranny (they, stock, can reach about 300 miles a tank). That's great as a tuner.

BTW: engineers tend to program the ecu to be rich at peak HP . . . the same for idle to a lesser extent.

 

300 N/A doubt it completly. I mean were at like 115 stock 5speed. thats almost triple stock whp. I don't think so sorry

 

I wonder if it'd even work on an 08. Tuning with/around the MIVEC is no doubt going to be a challenge.

He didn't say if he meant CHP or WHP. Either way, I agree that doing it N/A is going to be damn near impossible. N/A doesn't make power on small displacement motors. It makes power on big V8s.