Multi TB setup will gurantee you pushing close or beyond 250 crank HP. It's overkill, and your budget will compete w/ SC/TC setup.

the biggest difference from a mirage to lancer w/o driver in the equation.
5g mirages float the mid 2200 to mid 2300 (coupe) . . . sedan is about 2400 lbs while the lancer hits the scale around the high 2700 lbs. You guys are competing in weight with the sedan sentra (current or past gen), S13 240sx, 1g FWD DSMs, and others.

Also, the 4g mirage is even lighter; at last, we sacrifice safety for lesser factory weight.

 

Josh: I don't think RPW makes a stage 1.5 anymore... you can ask but I think the old 1.5 is the new stage 1 and the stage 2 is the same (if I remember my history right). Plus, as you've seen there's THOUSANDS of dollars to save going DIY. Plus, when there's a problem you can say "damn that <insert part name here>" because you took it apart, worked it, put it back together.
with FI You get a lot of "WTF?!?!?!" when something goes wrong. But it's definitely the way to go if you're looking for a fast 1/4 mile time. Maybe some day we'll see a quick road course car, but for now it seems like people are just tuning for 1/4 miles....

Baha- when you say multi TB, you mean quad TBs right? The twin TB won't get us near the 250CHP and shouldn't be that hard to tune...

 

I mean Quads . . . no one in the US tuning any model has any #'s on it. So, I can't really 100% rely it as tried and test truth. Yes, I do have a leap of faith in RPW Dave since he had done 100 times more R&D than I would ever do. Also, I do know there is a quad kit for the SR20DET; at that, I don't know anyone used/tuned it either.

http://www.group3j.com/induction.html

http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/...r04/ask_sarah/

http://www.tweakit.net/shop/
Once in awhile, you'll see someone on ebay sells one for the SR motors.

I don't know what's the expectation for the twin TB. Again, tuning will be the key to it.

 

Dave says the 60mm tb is supposed to be +35% air flow (on a g93 mani) and the twins are supposed to be +50% (also on the G93 mani with the twin 52mm butterflys). So that's a 15% air increase, which translates to..... who the hell knows maybe a 5% increase in power over the 60mm TB (that's totally puled outta my butt)? and then there's some fuel tuning required.

I only ever hear about quads on those civic drag cars that run like 9's all motor (or whatever) I don't think anyone's quite ready to commit their lancer to being just a strip car.

 

The 1.5 cam USED to be the stage 1. Stage one was made less aggressive so now 1.5 truly does fall between stage 1 and 2. You won't be able to go to 2 without new valve springs though.

 

My bad... that didn't sound right in my head when I was typing it, either. so do they still make a stage 1.5? I guess a call to vision would be in order.

 

GO turbo. SC on a 4 cylinder is not really the way to go.............

 

^--ya, SC robs power before it gives any.. and we can't really afford that on our 4 cylinders. I have some basic N/A mods and I'm still looking for more power.. I mean it is decent, but I still need more. When my warranty goes away in like 40k more miles.. I'm gonna get the non-ic kit from RRM.

There are some exceptions on a super charged 4 cyliner though.. by buddy had a vtec honda with a jackson supercharger. He could beat cobra's. But he had header, catback, cai, fuel management, high fuel pressure regulator, a/f computer, custom ecu, blah blah blah.. so many mods.

Just the basic turbo kit from RRM would do wonders for your power. It comes with basically everything you need and it is very reliable.

 

lets not turn this into a sc vs tc thing.

also, please keep in mind rrm is NOT synanomous with turbo, there are many other companies out there that offer turbo kits, and all of them do essentially the same thing

 

I used be a huge NA fan but I'm leaning more and more towards going turbo. Everytime I install a new bolt on I'm overjoyed with it for like a month than I get bored and want something more, something to go even faster. Eventually I'll just end up either facing huge custom engine work or just going turbo for cheaper.

 

LOL, its like you can peer into my subconscious, thats exactly how i am

but i worry, will stage 2 even be enough (supercharger that is?) when will the need stop?

 

id go turbo. if your gonna spend all that cash on na stuff, might as well just use it for a turbo kit. sure it might make the life of your engine lower or w/e but i doubt your gonna push the car hard every time you get into it so i really dont think thats something to be concerned about too much. i guess i dont have much room to talk about it since i never really owned a turbo but thats just how i see it

at first i thought about staying na but after a while i realized im not getting a new car anytime soon so i might as well do w/e i can to this to make riding more fun. i dont plan on trading or selling my lancer either cause i love the car oh yea just read your post green, and imo i think 200-300hp would be good enough for me. id never really need anything over 300 but thats just me

 

I just like the idea of building it up slowly, that way you savour every step, and are proud of your work. When I eventually do go turbo (once my warranty is gone) it'll be that much sweeter having worked on it for 2+ years getting it ready with various engine/suspension/drivetrain mods.

 

Yes, there are other turbo companies out there.. keep that in mind. I've just heard all good things about RRM thats why I mentioned the name. I would be happy with 200 to 250whp. At least until I get out of college and can afford a car with more to start out with. 200whp is quite a bit for our light lancers. You would be able to keep up with or beat most of the cars under $27k on the road today. (track is what I mean..) you know.

 

Exactly my strategy. Feel the small power gains and get the engine ready for turbo. I've got RRM header, test pipe, catback, intake, springs, rims.. I'm just prepping my car for the turbo when my warranty gets near the end. Hellz yea!
edit: Also, when my clutch goes, I'm upgrading to a stage 2. w00t!