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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 06:52 PM
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k, i'm dumb. there are gif copies of the the report in the thread. a dur...

good round-up of his posts. it's a sticky in Engine Tech.
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 09:38 PM
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I can't find the chart I was talking about. I think it was originally on the AEMPower forums. I'll see if I can't dig it up.
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Old Jun 6, 2005 | 10:18 AM
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Here's a good link I found for you apes. j/p, always pickin' up new info so I figured I'd make up for my lost chart by sharing this.

http://www.daytona-sensors.com/tech_tuning.html
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Old Jun 6, 2005 | 03:23 PM
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Here's a good link I found for you apes. j/p, always pickin' up new info so I figured I'd make up for my lost chart by sharing this.

http://www.daytona-sensors.com/tech_tuning.html
Interesting - according to the CR chart, the RRM piston crowd should need 98 octane to optimally run 10.5:1 pistons.

And yet Boe didn't blow up on 91...

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And later on, we get this:

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A useful rule of thumb is that raising the compression ratio one point (i.e. from 10:1 to 11:1) increases power by about 3%. However this potential power increase is only available if the gasoline octane allows running the engine at the MBT timing value without detonation.
Oh, that makes me annoyed.
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Old Jun 6, 2005 | 03:54 PM
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Interesting - according to the CR chart, the RRM piston crowd should need 98 octane to optimally run 10.5:1 pistons.

And yet Boe didn't blow up on 91...
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However, the practical limit for 93 octane pump gasoline is about 10.5:1. If you try to use a higher value, you will have to retard the spark timing to the point where the engine will actually generate less torque than one with a lower compression ratio.
I dunno where the 98 octane thing came from.

The % power increase is based on larger displacement motors I believe. The basic theory remains the same.
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Old Jun 6, 2005 | 04:01 PM
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I went to 10.5; moved the mouse straight up; moved the mouse straight over; mouse was sitting in the high 90s. I estimated 98.

Here's an example...

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Old Jun 6, 2005 | 04:06 PM
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I didn't intend for that to be a guide for anyone's tuning uses.... it was more to help answer some questions that had been presented in the thread that it was plucked from. I, of course, don't have a problem with it being quoted, but at the same time, the caveat that it's not going to take into account all tuning variables needs to be presented.

FWIW "limp mode" has the AFR at 9.6:1

God I hate our ECUs....
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Old Jun 6, 2005 | 04:08 PM
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Kris, that is understood. I just posted that so n00bs like me would have a basic idea what the hell was going on.
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Old Jun 6, 2005 | 04:35 PM
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Oh, I see what you're saying. I was quoting from the text. I think that chart is ideal range, their comment mentions safe range.

EDIT: In the case of the Lancer I'm sure the ECU will just pull timing until it reaches whatever the max limitation of the ECU is. Then it'll throw a CEL and crap out into limp mode.
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Old Jun 7, 2005 | 10:08 PM
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http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/archiv...p/f-7-p-1.html
Here is my contribution :P
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Old Jun 7, 2005 | 10:11 PM
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"knock retard..." Sorry, I just find that amusing.

Lotta stuff for me to read.
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^ LOL, got that right. LS1 forum but still lots of usefull stuff.
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 09:17 AM
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Combustion is combustion no matter what car you're in. EFI principles remain the same throughout most automobiles too, however the different engine configurations lead to different problems and fixes.
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 09:49 AM
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So much to read, so little time
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 12:56 PM
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Ok, so here are my questions:

1) Is the graph accurate, because then at stock compression 9.5:1 we should be running 90 octane fuel, when recommends 87.

2) What does each pound of boost do to the compression ratio?
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