Lets be straight up, What are the likely gains? (With PIGGY V2)

 

What do you want to hear? Do you want a number? Do you want a dyno chart? Only noobs go "what are the gains?" with no indication of what information they're looking for. Are you a HP-***** who only cares about the peak HP number? Are you a "room under the curve" guy who's interested in how the mods affect the entire power curve?

Help us out a bit...

 

Sorry for the lack of information. Im actually a 1/4 ***** if such a thing, however I dont know how to ask for that, right now my 1/4 is 16.42 (Dynoed by Gtech). How much lower will it go?

 

The best times for any lancer I've seen are in the high 14's low 15's. So by putting these mods on you're not going to see all that much lower than that with just a camshaft and pulley. I'd also look into RPW camshafts as there are more for different applications. RRM only has one for both N/A and FI...

Fox

 

To be honest, it's very hard to say. They're so new, I don't know if anyone has done much testing. I know it'll make you quicker, but it's hard to say how much. And RRM isn't really interested in product testing (since people complain whether you do or not).

With such a new part, it's just a question without an answer. Sorry.

 

I rather the RRM, because with RPW Cams, it might roughen by idle. Also right now im at 16.42, which is a lot slower then the "the bests times" you've seen. Now im guessing its a lot easier to gain some time at a higher range, then at a lower range correct? So would I see a .1-.3 reduction in my 1/4?

 

That's logical. Actually that's the stupidest stance on testing I've ever heard of from a company. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. With such a massive N/A undertaking such as a cam, you'd think they'd be all over dyno tests. Showcasing what it gained over base application... a before and after if you will. You can't dispute nothing I suppose. And I think that's the real reason they don't post up dyno numbers. So if someone goes to the dyno with one of the cams and finds out that the gain wasn't as substantial as they thought then RRM can come right back and say, "well it must be something with your car or one of your other mods."

Conversly I truely understand RRM's delima in that the customer can turn right back and say, "well I didn't get the results you posted in your dyno therefore I want a refund" or "you guys lied." Simple way around that is a disclaimer statement when buying aftermarket products, such as, "performance gains will vary." Just tell us what's been done to the test car as far as mods before and after and then dyno the thing.

Sorry I'm in a ranting mood.

All that said I don't and many others don't trust a cam that is both for N/A and F/I... it doesn't make sense. While it might be safe for both, that doesn't speak to end gains, espically if you aren't willing to post said gains for all to see. It would be good to see companies truely back their products by some dyno sheets. But at the end of the day all we will get from them is, "we allow our customers to dyno and that's good enough for us."

BTW, does anyone have the RRM cam? I'd be interested to see what the gains are. Same goes for the RPW. I recall reading about someone having the RPW.

Fox

 

Hmm this seems very unpromising for the price im going to be paying, i think i'll wait until some proof comes out, before i make these purchases.

 

RRM's stand is simple - we make stuff, we have a legion of fans, we don't have to test.

Granted, that's not exactly how they advertise it. But it's implied.

 

its interesting but I have PMs from an RRM employee who owns a lancer asking me for prices on the RPW CamShafts, obviously he must know which is best..

 

The word "best" is very subjective. If you just want a slight increase in performance without any idle problems, need for an aftermarket cam gear, relatively low price, etc. RRM is the way to go. RPW cams are great, but they also have issues. People have complained about a lumpy idle and loss of power in the lower RPM ranges. There is no one cam that will be the best for everyone's needs or applications.

 

Here's an idea, buy a RPW cam shaft, put it on, if you don't like, we'll buy it from you for a cheaper price to take it off your hands.lol

But Amby is right. Best thing to do is wait or search to see if anybody's bought one.

 

I'm waiting to install my RRM Cam, so we'll see. I'll have a full review of everything in a few weeks.

 

Pride go before the fall, Dave.

 

Is there any hard numbers or dyno runs just so we can get a rough guestimate?