All these people down there are talking about Turbo this turbo that, but what about the peopel that want the there engine to last longer? With turbo i think you'll be kill the life span of the engine no??

And since NA would be the only option, does anyone know how fast you can actually get it to go?? Or is it no that much of a diffrent and it'll be pointless to do so??

 

try a search

 

Other than the basic bolt-ons available, JE Pistons, ARP Head Bolts and maybe a few other things, there is not much available to build an NA/All-Motor Lancer. You'll probably be waiting a while for stuff to be devolped, if at all.

And as for engine expectancy, it takes away from the lifetime of the engine....so unless your planning on keeping the car above 100,000 miles, I wouldn't be worried. I'm at 900 kms in 3 weeks, I'll probably sell the car at 20,000 when the Evo 8 becomes available

 

for NA you will be looking at exhaust, intake, header, ecu reflash, throttle body, cams etc... now there is the talk of a dual and quad throttle body that is supposed to up performance significantly but for now there isnt that much to gain. and any modification you do is gonna wear your engine.

 

There's sooooo much more than that. You can do the standard headwork (port/polish, extrude hone the manifold), all the breathing mods (intake, throttle body), new camshaft and vernier adjustment gear, nice long 4-1 exhaust manifold, and nice piping all the way down. Then there's the uber mods like balancing the crankshaft, knife edging the crank, higher compression pistons, stronger gaskets and rods, standalone ECU to get more revs...oh geez...gotta find the thread where the ultimate NA setup was theorized. Oh yeah, ignition to so you're actually firing the cylinders...and of course some copious amounts of fuel tuning.

 

How much of that stuff actually exists though......like a standalone ecu...thats custom stuff. We're average consumers, it's not like we can drop $5000 like its nothing.....

 

All of it exists in the land of RPW. In fact, they're developing their quad throttle body to be more easily used with the stock ecu. Granted, you'll still need some piggyback management, but you can only do so much before you need to take that step. And as for gains, I recall David saying their original quad throttle body system was putting out hp numbers that match turbo numbers.

And as for the average consumer, unfortunately they're stuck with average gains. That's just how it goes.

 

Ohhhh I see I see, I wasn't aware of that stuff. I thought it would have all had to be custom.

 

When you said giving out or matching turbo numbers what do you mean?? Like a NA setup can go as fast as turbo?? Sorry am new at this....

And what is a ECu? what benefits will i get from changing it?

 

tuned individual throttle bodies (quad throttlebodies) can see as much as a 7 psi-like boost characteristic. mostly because each cylinder now gets their own intake runner and throttle body. they can suck as much air as they can.

the ecu (engine/electronic control unit) aka pcm (powertrain control module) is the brain of the car. everything needed to run the engine are in this little piece of hardware. changing it would mean more power by manipulation of the stock settings.

 

Learn, Grasshopper.

 

Its good to see all the answers out here. Throttle bodies are expensive but should be less than turbo setup. Where you might run into bigger costs is in tuning and the stand alone/piggy back for the quad or dual throttle body setup. Compression setups have not surpassed stock yet as there is problems/issues on doing this with interference motors. There is just no room to raise it. Intake mods like P/P and intake manifold extrusion are costly as well and not much gain without a way to push more air in. I got about 2hp out of that N/A. Turbo/superchargers use this advantage better. Don't get me wrong it will help but it is of bigger gains on V-8's than 4cylinders when not boosting air some how. So far the biggest jumps i've seen NA have been the cams/cam gears and the ECU's. Possibly by increasing VLV size and decreasing vlv throw you could get compression higher. This mod will cost you. As long as you aren't going forced induction stock pistons/rods should be fine... just needs to be tuned right as detonation will kill the pistons! They are weak! Good luck NA it is a lot of work and $$$ but so are turbo's/superchargers. You just have to decide how far you want to go. I do not see the Lancer putting out much over 190HP N/A... Above that some sort of forced induction would be needed. My .02

 

Boe - I actually spoke w/ RPW regarding their quad setup a long time ago, mind you this was before their plans for their new setup that will use the stock ecu, and they said it'd run pretty much even w/ an intercooled turbo setup in price. Gotta go w/ a Haltech standalone, which is plenty by itself.

Man, now I'm reconsidering turbo and trying for some nice NA figures.

 

I've heard a lot about it but want to see dyno results before i use it as recommendations for NA. RPW is the only company i've really heard of going so far for NA with the lancer. They have yet to get anything huge though. That is where the TB upgrades will come into play. I've seen these setups on 20vlv toyota motors but they do not produce the results turbo's can. Simply because turbo's can just turn up boost where TB's are stuck at max rates of bores/injectors. I'm watching it though and curious to see their results. Also i want to see its durability. I've seen RPW turbo setups blow engines at 5psi... then they got that straightened out. I like what they are doing NA but want to see it for a bit first before i say any real feelings on it. Customer feedback is everything and unfortunately the guinea pigs often fall prey to failures before things are ironed out!

 

Precisely. That's why I'm gonna strategically be second or third on the list for the dual TB setup.