youve got the right idea, but just with some inflated pricing...i agree to some extent, but the upside to swapping is that you can take that new motor, and you can mod that engine the same as you could your previous engine....and therefore you can reach absurd levels of hp and the ability to say your car is a true sleeper.

 

Good Point loneeemeeeee, I think I will just save up and wait for an Evo.


And raliart, that is true to, but you got to consider the ability for the Lancer to handle the power. There are only so many mods that you can do. But it would be on hell of a sleeper though....

 

Those prices are hardly inflated. Unless you know someone who does engine swaps for free. A good suspension will run you 2k. The JDM engine will run you 5k easy if you can actually get your hands on one. I won't even go into what Mitsu would probably charge you for one I'll just say Thats not even counting the downtime you'll need to do everything(if you actually got it right the first time) on the car. I'd hardly consider an engine swap a sleeper though more like cheater *cough* *cough* Trust me on this one Mr. Art, taking into consideration the Cost and Time it would be farrrrrrrrrrrr more effective to Turbocharge your own Lancer 2.0 SOHC. The benifits you would reap from doing this far outweigh the headaches of doing a engine swap IMO.

 

sekaidragon, obviously get an EVO over doing the swap, im just stating a fact that swapping with the EVO motor would be better than turboing your car since once you swap it, you can save up and beef up the turbo on your evo motor.....and the mods you would need to handle the power of an EVO would mostly be only a new clutch, ECU and wiring harness, and a braking system seeing as thou when you buy the motor you receive a tranny and engine mounts.

 

your priceing is still inflated! a EVO motor, the 4G63T is 2300, i have found them, the ECU, engine mounts, and wiring harness would be your only mods left to complete the swap.....the evo motor is only 276hp, its not enough to need a new axle or totally remod your drive shaft.....im not gonna accept the fact that it would be better to turbo because it woudnt if you actually completed the swap....and the fact that no one has done it means it wont happen, someone will do it and it will become more widespread.....just like the B series engines, the CRV took basically 1 year to figure it out...once it was done many people followed.

 

Good points.Take into account certain things though. Will the engine fit? If it fits will it be a perfect fit or will it be a forced fit? How many new fluid lines will need to be run? Will the body hold up properly to the increased power? Most importantly how much will it cost? That much I can answer for you Swapping work included you looking at easily 10K for the engine swap alone. Stabalizing the body and correcting the suspension 3k. As for the Transmission I'll state it like this. The transmission comes with the Clutch Ralliart. Its converting it to FWD that will pose a nice problem since it would have to be custom done more than likely provided the new 4G63 is set the way the Lancer engine is. You're seriously talking about 15K of work here because you'd be pioneering this venture since I'm pretty sure no-one with a US lancer has done an engine swap as of yet.

 

That much is true ralliart, but the most important factor in my whole equasion is money. I don't have any... at all... I'm very poor, and I'm only going to get poorer. So I'm guessing that I'm not going to be doing any mods any time soon.

I'm only wishing here. I can't drop a new engine or get an evo for the next year or so, so, by then, I'm sure that someone will have dropped a new engine and all the mods, and then we will be able to see if it is worth while, or just a waste of time...

I'm sure, in capable hands, it would be worth while, but I'm not what you would call capable hands!!

 

im gonna end this with a compromise, it will take 10K altogether if you are pioneering, the 3K for suspension is not likely and the transmission does not include a clutch, you would need to get a semi-ceramic or heavy duty clutch to take the load.......the engine would not need to be forced but it would be an adventure to convert it to FWD thou it can be done, and not expensive, yet not cheap.

 

You really can't compare an Mitsu swap to a Honda swap. All honda's are FWD cars for the most part so swapping doesn't pose as much of a problem Drivetrain wise. As for a new 4G63 show me a site where they'll sell the Evo VI or VII motor for Under 4Gs if you would? I would like to see it for myself. Trust me though Ralliart when it comes to this first time swap the prices I'm giving are extreme cases in which you would need servere engineering to make the swap occur if the swap went as simple as a bot in and re-wire/re-run lines then of course the swap would be cheaper, so seeing as how there's no precedent for this swap I put up numbers like the government taxes your check.....ridiculously.

 

The transmission has to come with the clutch ralliart. If they give you a trans they're certainly not going to bother removing the clutch and flywheel. If whoever you're talking to says this then I would look elsewhere for parts. The only way you would need a new clutch is if the 4G63 were to bolt onto your existing transmission. Getting the Evo trans converted to FWD would cost 2-3K I'd say. I still say doing this is unncessary, but if you plan on making your Lancer into an all out Race car then by all means do the swap. If you plan on still being able to drive the car daily then I'd urge you to get a turbo and put the rest of your money in the bank.

 

ROAD/RACE has two Mirage conversions(engine swaps) at the shop. One is FWD Evo engine and trans and the other is AWD same motor and trans. They have done a lot of these. I talked to one of the guys he said need motor and tranny. Hardest part is all the electrical stuff. He is about $5K into the project.

 

Lancer or Mirage + 4g63 engine swap = Torque steering, hard to control, front wheel drive car that can only drag race. Be careful what you wish for.

 

True about torque steer but real men can road race FWD. See 380 h.p. Front wheel drive car that wins **** all the time. Kills Porshes, NSXs and BMWs and AWD cars. Don't dis FWD it is true!
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/blackcar-index.htm

 

Well whatever the consensus comes out to (or lack of one...), resident swap monkey Lan Evo (long time Mirage tuner extraordinaire) is going to be writing an FAQ about engine swaps. Hopefully this can put aside any misconceptions and hopefully avoid any more "Can I drop this engine" threads...there have been so many it's getting really repetitive. It also seems to be a newbie question as well, hence the FAQ...albeit someone would have to read it to...

 

1. Why swap? The cost of a swap could easily get you forged internals, custom turbo kit and more than 250hp at the wheels. Sure you can swap and then put $1000 into the 4G63T but then again you could put that same $1000 into the 4G94 that you built up and still be FASTER than the 4G63T

2. If you must swap be REALISTIC!!!! What are you going to do when your 4G63T breaks down?...hmmm did you know that some of the maintenance parts are different between the eclipse 4G63T and the 4G63T that has been rotated 180 degrees??? Swap in a 4G64 from a 3G eclipse for much cheaper, less hassle, you can still use 4G63T parts to turbocharge it easily...just make sure you grab the tranny!!! the Eclipse F5M42 and the Mirage F5M42 mount the starter on opposite sides of the motor...tell me where yours is mounted and I will tell you if you must swap the tranny too.

3. Pjal..."don't call it a MIRAGE!" ...eh? Nothing wrong with Mirages...in fact I wouldn't mind racing a few Lancers on the 1/4mile and the local Solo II course...maybe change your mind about that (no I don't have turbo, nitrous, or supercharger).