synthetic oil
forgive me for giving my over simplified definition of oil. But to the average consumer of it, oil is oil.
When it comes to more advanced setups and racing applications, then every specific formulation can yield some competitive advantage. Thing is I have yet to find a fair and unbias review. I would do it myself if I had the resources availible but at this time I do not.
the only way I will maybe retract that oil is oil part is when you go to the dyno 99 cent oil I find in my bix box store. But I refer to stock oil vs. premium options. but even then I am sure there are just some you shouldnt put in your car.
When it comes to more advanced setups and racing applications, then every specific formulation can yield some competitive advantage. Thing is I have yet to find a fair and unbias review. I would do it myself if I had the resources availible but at this time I do not.
the only way I will maybe retract that oil is oil part is when you go to the dyno 99 cent oil I find in my bix box store. But I refer to stock oil vs. premium options. but even then I am sure there are just some you shouldnt put in your car.
I think that by AMSOIL putting the test results right out in the Public eye, on the sides of their bottles and their cases, naming the other products is pretty "unbiased" as the other companies would sue AMSOIL out of business. Instead AMSOIL is voted into the Lubricants Hall of Fame by their Peers. AMSOIL revolutionized the entire Automotive Lubricants Industry by producing the First API Rated Synthetic oil in 1972.
Why waste the time and money on doing a Dyno run on cheap oil ? M1 is an excellent oil and when Dyno tested in a Corvette, Just by changing to AMSOIL, the Vette gained about 6 HP...
Doc
Newbie
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
From: Toronto
I've been using Castrol Syntec for the last 3 oil changes and so far so good. Car did feel better after i switched over from regular oil. I wouldn't mind giving Mobil 1 a try.
Last edited by evolusent; Jun 13, 2008 at 11:31 AM. Reason: added image
I have used conventional oils, as well as synthetics, and only real differences I have noticed are that my wallet is thinner, and you can supposedly go longer without a oil change. Highly doubt you are going to gain HP from using Amsoil instead of regular oil. Yes, the Corvette may very well have gained 6 HP, but we are talking about a 450 HP sports car, not a 150 HP econo-box. That is like comparing apples and oranges.
I have used conventional oils, as well as synthetics, and only real differences I have noticed are that my wallet is thinner, and you can supposedly go longer without a oil change. Highly doubt you are going to gain HP from using Amsoil instead of regular oil. Yes, the Corvette may very well have gained 6 HP, but we are talking about a 450 HP sports car, not a 150 HP econo-box. That is like comparing apples and oranges.
That increase in HP was over Mobil 1, Another Premium Synthetic which also give HP Increases over petroleum...
We have Dyno Sheets from 70 HP M/C's that show HP gains... and our latest Dyno Tests show HP gains with 103 Screaming Eagle Harley's....
Of course, I guess you could try and argue the HP numbers with a guy I know... He races M/C's in a Class where the bike is Dyno'd before and after the race... I think it is 93 HP that they cannot exceed... His first run on the Dyno was just a tick under 93... He changed oil before the Race to AMSOIL and when he Dyno'd after the race he just won, he was disqualified for too much HP... bur hey, you must know better because you say it ain't so... What the heck do I know... It's only a full time job for me... I better quite while I still don't know anything ...
Free HP is Free HP...
As far as your pocket book..... guess you don't take all things into consideration such as part longevity and replacement cost, some HP and Fuel Mileage gains, longer drain intervals, cooler oil temps, smoother shifting, etc...
Synthetic oil is not for everyone, but Mits doesn't recommend it for no reason.. It does effect Turbo life at the very least...
Doc
Account Disabled
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
From: Las Vegas
Wtf?
Um, no he is refering to the stock Lancer!
Oil is "mostly" opinion product!
DIFFERENT OILS DO NOT GIVE YOU HORSE POWER! By changing the viscosity, you may be allowing the parts to move more freely! This might give you that miracle 1 or 2 hp at the dyno right after a change. As you put more miles on the oil, your dyno numbers will go back down as the motor starts to move less freely. It is a freaking lubricant! Not a power adder!
What do I know? I do know that synthetics use less reg oil to produce thus putting less money in the pockets of the middle east! And thats way more important to me than 2 F@#&ing hp at a dyno 30 min after an oil change!
Oh, and being an azz to people on the forums is a great way to convince people to see your point. Most subject experts dont talk crap to people they are trying to inform. But to each his own!
Scott
Oil is "mostly" opinion product!
DIFFERENT OILS DO NOT GIVE YOU HORSE POWER! By changing the viscosity, you may be allowing the parts to move more freely! This might give you that miracle 1 or 2 hp at the dyno right after a change. As you put more miles on the oil, your dyno numbers will go back down as the motor starts to move less freely. It is a freaking lubricant! Not a power adder!
What do I know? I do know that synthetics use less reg oil to produce thus putting less money in the pockets of the middle east! And thats way more important to me than 2 F@#&ing hp at a dyno 30 min after an oil change!
Oh, and being an azz to people on the forums is a great way to convince people to see your point. Most subject experts dont talk crap to people they are trying to inform. But to each his own!
Scott
If Mitsubishi recommended synthetic oil, don't you think they would use it initially? They use a conventional, and still give you a 100,000 mile power train warranty. So.........as stated before, there are people that use synthetics for racing, and for piece of mind. Other then that, use what you are comfortable buying. I personally go to Wal-mart and buy the 5 qt. jugs of Mobil 1 for $21.00 and it has not done me wrong yet! Just trying to be the devil's advocate, and let people know that regular oil and filter change intervals is more important then what oil is being used!!
RC...................No hard feelings. Just ignorance on behalf of individuals trying to sell there product and fill people's minds with illusions that only their product is beneficial to our vehicles; when in reality..........as long as you learn how to perform your own oil changes, and save $$$$, it really doesn't matter what oil you use. Just change all your fluids on a regular basis, and keep records of it for warranty reasons.
Oil doc......... if this is your "FULL TIME JOB" you need to go back to the basic school of "customer service" and learn how to talk to people not at people! Not all of us are as sophisticated and knowledgable as you.............Just cause you sell a product, does not mean you should be-little another product. I understand being proud of what you sell, but you need to learn how to market your product better then coming on here and just saying AMSOIL is the only/best choice for all consumers; when in fact, alot of individuals bought this car for economy, not to dump money into products that are not really necessary for our application.
Last edited by BABYGOTBACK; Jun 14, 2008 at 12:27 AM.
I used to work in auto parts (for way longer than I wanted to) and I always cautioned not to go back to conventional oil after going synthetic, and to not bother going synthetic if the car has over 50,000 miles (for the reason previously mentioned about this causing seals to leak). If you do go back to conventional, at best nothing changes, but I have seen more instances where it causes the car to run rough. The molecules in synthetic are more uniform in size than conventional, helping the car to run smoother.
If anyone wants a little evidence of the horsepower gaining theory, there is an article in the July issue of Import Tuner comparing oils on a dyno in a DC2 Integra. Eneos came out on top, just barely over Royal Purple. 0.2 hp over Royal Purple, but 2.2hp over conventional. A small gain, but still a gain.
I use Royal Purple because I want to drive this car into the ground. I just want the engine to remain healthy and out of the repair shop for as long as possible. It now has 111k miles and it's still running strong. And no offense, but the viewpoint of "oil is oil" is just plain ignorant. It's like saying "there's oil in the engine, why do I need to change it?"
If anyone wants a little evidence of the horsepower gaining theory, there is an article in the July issue of Import Tuner comparing oils on a dyno in a DC2 Integra. Eneos came out on top, just barely over Royal Purple. 0.2 hp over Royal Purple, but 2.2hp over conventional. A small gain, but still a gain.
I use Royal Purple because I want to drive this car into the ground. I just want the engine to remain healthy and out of the repair shop for as long as possible. It now has 111k miles and it's still running strong. And no offense, but the viewpoint of "oil is oil" is just plain ignorant. It's like saying "there's oil in the engine, why do I need to change it?"
Last edited by Lumpy; Jun 14, 2008 at 12:35 AM.
Lumpy Agreed that "oil is oil" is not accurate. But to say that you need synthetic over conventional is also ignorant. For decades before synthetic was around, people were getting 200-300 thousand miles on a vehicle. Not due to a particular brand of oil, but rather to regular maintenance and up keep. I realize that synthetic is a better product! Just trying not to scare new buyers into thinking that they cannot get the a long life expectancy out of there Lancer using a traditional oil such as Penzoil or Quaker State.