Hmmm... Let's see here... I see inaccurate information, try to make a simple post... I get jumped on and reply with information and I am the A$$... OK.. so be it..

But more mis-information...

The EVO gets Synthetic right from the Factory... it comes with Mobil 1 in it...

There is no reason to run petroleum oil for break-in on a factory engine. Only a rebuild.

I have not said Anywhere that you "NEED" Synthetic oil... It IS recommended by Mits in the EVO.. It DOES help to extend component life and helps stop coking in the turbo.

If you haven't seen coking in a turbo or oil supply line to the turbo, you haven't seen very many..

I have ALWAYS said, Reasonable results can be had by using a good quality petroleum oil and a good quality filter. Superior Results can be had by using a Premium Quality Synthetic and a Premium Quality filter..

There is NO Scare tactic to it... that is fact...

Doc

 

I'm one of the people that got 329+ thousand miles on my old 87 Honda accord until I gave it away to my brother and later it got total while parking on the street by a garbage truck. The engine keeps on going and going without any problem. You know what oil I used? Regular oil no specific brand at all.

 

Mystick You just proved my point exactly! Do not need to use a synthetic oil to get great wear out of a motor as long as you take care of the basics. Almost like that Slick 50 gimmick! Do not need that stuff to enjoy your Lancer for many years of driving.
Oil DOC: You keep mentioning that the EVO gets synthetic right from the get go! Once again you are misinformed! This is a Lancer forum not a EVO forum. None of the vehicles that fellow members have on this particular forum have 300HP, turbo charged, AWD, racing machines. We simply have a Lancer that will provide us with years of pleasure from a conventional oil, no need for a Synthetic unless you really want it. That is the ACTUAL facts!

 

I am not misinformed... you, or whoever, didn't say the Lancer, it was said Mitsubishi does not use Synthetic... that is not correct...

You are correct about oil additives. If you think you need an oil additive, you just plain need a better oil. They have all been sued by the FTC, and lost, for false advertising.

Regardless, the benefits of Synthetics have been proven for many, many years and anyone who is trying to say or prove different, is living in the past.. It has been proven by the auto industry. the SAE, John Deere, Members of the MotorCycle Industry and more that Synthetics can add a 2-3% increase in MPG over petroleum oils.

Actually, the Lancer can benefit from Synthetics. I originally switched to AMSOIL 100% Synthetic 0W-20 in our Lancer. Smoother running and noticeably better fuel mileage. I am currently running AMSOIL SSO 0W-30 in the Lancer. Although the fuel mileage is down slightly from the 0W-20, it is not significant and with the mileage put on the car, I push the oil change out to 1 year safely. Saving time and money. The tranny will be changed shortly to AMSOIL 100% Synthetic as well. This has also proven well worth it in my other vehicles when I am looking at over 220,000 on the current tranny in my van.

On my Ford 4x4, the tranny had to be repaired at 80,000 due to a broken Sun Gear. When I got it back from the shop, the owner and the tech came over to talk to me. They thought I should have taken it back to whoever rebuilt the tranny for me to get it covered under warranty. They couldn't believe that as clean as the tranny was, that it wasn't a recent rebuild and had over 80 K on it..

They became a new Retail location for me..

As I always say, Reasonable results can be had by using a good quality petroleum oil and a good quality filter. Superior results can be has by using a Premium Synthetic oil and a Premium Quality Filter.

And when I say Synthetics, I am talking True Synthetics, not faux synthetics such as Castrol Syntec, Valvoline, Mobil 1 or the others. I am talking AMSOIL, Mobil 1 EP and Motul...

Doc

 

Not to worry, I never used "scare tactics" it was more mentioned as a way to keep the engine running smoother. It isn't something that a car needs, but it's definitely good to have if you can afford it. I'd really only suggest it to those who I could tell, cared about their cars. Most people I came into contact with in general seemed to either lease a car and use the cheapest thing with the word "oil" on the bottle, or buy a new car every time their previous one was paid off, and do the same thing with the cheapest oil, filters, plugs, etc.

Honesty was my biggest policy in selling anything. I avoid the Valvoline brand because of that honesty policy, because I was pressured (with incentives) to push that brand even though I had no experience with it and wasn't even provided any research to back up any kind of recommendation. The conventional oil I usually recommended was usually Castrol GTX and the synthetic I usually recommended was Mobil 1 (neither Motul, nor Amsoil, or Eneos, where not locally available or needed by most people enough for me to recommend them). I actually tried not to recommend Royal Purple unless the driver mentioned hard driving (racer or wannabe) and thought that they needed something extra because, as you said, it isn't something that they needed and Royal Purple is popular enough on it's own that I actually had to hide some when I needed to change my oil, to prevent it from being sold out.

As far as needing synthetic to go further. I just see it as cleaner oil. I'm sure, with the sludge fighting ingredients in Castrol, or a similar brand, you could go just as far. I just want both the cleanness of that with the smooth operation of synthetic. I'm just **** retentive like that. Besides, I have solid engine mounts, so any legitimate way I can make the engine run smoother is worth a try to me.

 

Lumpy...

My question is; Why would you recommend a product like Lucas which is a poor performing oil and no testing available from them ?

Doc

 

I just read another post about some douche from UTI that said that Royal Purple, yes you read that right, Royal F*ckin Purple is "the Best synthetic oil" available on the store shelves today and is the "most easily accessible" consumer oil.

I haven't read this whole thread (the other one was some 10 pages long in a span of two days, I wish I could find it again) but it's just another oil debate that probably has the same grounds or some other silly thing.

People just need to do their OWN research and decide what's best for them. yes there are oils that perform better than others....but until the public gets access to UNBIASED test results from a Third party, then you just have to use common sense and use the kind of oil that's best for you. don't go and buy a $1.25 Qt of oil you know is probably sh!tty...but at the same time don't go spending $7.00 Qt from a company that make outrages claims. Just use your head, perform routine oil changes and it's guarunteed your car will last you many miles without oil-related problems.

 

here's the thread I was talking about if you're interested:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...i+royal+purple

 

I'll bet any of you $20/US that you'll gain 15+ HP on your car if you run the dyno test with NO OIL in the engine.

 

^^^lol i'll take you up on that bet! I'll even add a few stickers...that should add +10

 

I don't have time tonight, but I will definitely go challenge him on that subject..


Doc

 

Please don't. It was belabored to the point of the thread being locked. We know synthetic oils are used by recommendation in some applications and by preference in others. The same can be said for plain old dinosaur juice.

Most drivers are going to have a brand loyalty and changing that loyalty might as well be trying to convert them to another religion. I think that even posting charts and facts about ABC brand as opposed XYZ brand won't change a whole lot.

I know that with a sump full of Mobil 1, I went through 3 run groups at the track in 95 degree weather without any worries about my engine blowing up. While other guys were changing their oil, I was relaxing in the shade with a bag of ice up my shirt...that's a good feeling. I also know that with Amsoil, my Lancer runs smoothly, quietly, and reliably...I'm 100% confident that even though I packed on 12,000 miles in 6 months, I can keep right on driving. It's those kind of experiences that make people so fiercely defend their brands.

 

I never said Lucas. I said Royal Purple. Why do you guys have to keep bringing this thread back from the dead?

 

Lucas, Royal Purple..... Both poor performing oils.. Must be why I mix them up...



Doc

 

I've made my case. You're obviously an Amsoil fanatic and nothing will convince you of anything, and so now I rest my case.