Did I retract my statement? Nope, however given that you're trying to paint me as this villain, the fact that people don't share your warped viewpoint is worth stating.
This was my second statement
notice how I specifically stated how I was fine leaving your jab alone. However you decided to continue with it by stating this
in which you're clearly taking yet another jab at the simple fact that I dared ask a question. This point is further supported by your next statement
and this
And this is on-topic how?

 

This is the first post you made. The first half is okay, even though its superfluous already been covered. The bolded part is off topic and unecessary. No one else made any comments like that, so that's why my response was focused on you. I guess if my sarcasm and jabs are too much for you that's one thing, but it doesn't make your question valid or on-topic. My responses to your off topic tangent have been off topic. What a brilliant observation.

 

Gotta agree with you and everything you said!

 

GEMA that was it... I didn't care to look into it before my post.

Either way this whole thread is just ridiculous since we are talking about the capability of the 4b11 genesis and not the lancer. With the money any block can handle 400whp... If you really wanted to you could rebuild a Metro to push absolutely ridiculous amounts of power... Would it be practical, not in the least bit. Most lancer owners (no offense) shoot for these high numbers but have never actually taken a car to the track nor have they actually driven a high power FWD... They just want bragging rights.

Amby is right he took two jabs before he reacted... Can we just end this before it gets out of hand. Your both knowledgeable persons so shake hands and end this scuffle. And we should also end this thread because it is pointless. 4b11 in the Genesis is not at all the same as the 4b11 in the Lancer... The only thing that is are the codes and the standard block. Internals, Compressions, and ECU are totally different. The genesis is good for 400whp... the Lancer needs plenty work before this number could be achieved.

If you want a 400whp lancer without the price of the Evo than you'll need an RA or a deep pocket and lots of friends in the fabrication fields.

 

How is it off-topic? We've been through this, hell, somebody else agreed that it's on topic given that we are talking about the Lancer. Moreover, it was a simple question, I didn't go on some paragraph long rant about how stupid an idea it is or anything like that. Others did make similar comments that, according to your logic, would be considered off-topic.
Oh no, more "OT" posts apparently but you ignored them since I didn't say them. You also didn't address the "OT" posts about the financial viability of aftermarket pistons and rods nor have you seen the "OT" posts in all the other threads you post in.
I really don't care if you want to continue with this BS but it's extraordinarily hypocritical for you to claim I'm carrying the thread off-topic when you pull stunts like this. You clearly have a personal problem with me and now you're derailing threads because of it.

 

If this thread is/was purely about the Genesis, it belongs in the Other car section.

 

Ya I have no idea what it is about anymore... Either way it really shouldn't be in the Engine Tech section (which should be used to ask questions regarding the 4b series or discuss modifications and the such, not the hypothetical question of how much the genesis 4b11 block can handle). It should be in the Lancer General because this has nothing to do with the Lancer 4b11 block.

This whole thread is pretty much


bahahahaha!!! ohh.....

 

This thread was fine and informative until, well, you know.

 

I think the key point to note in this thread is everyone was saying that the 4B11 isnt nearly as good as the 4B11T because the 4B11 is an open deck and the 4B11T is a semi-open deck. The Genesis is an open deck and able to handle 400whp which means the block is fairly strong. Sure you need new pistons, but thats not because the block is weak, thats just the nature of forced induction. Either high CR for NA or low CR for forced induction, nothing to do with how well or strong the engine is built. Everything else is debatable because no one has blown up a 4B11 to see how strong the head, rods, seals, ect. are.

 

How do we know the 4B11 is good for 400 WHP? I don't think there is a 400 WHP 4B11 motor out there yet. Moreover, how long will it last?

 

We don't know its good for 400WHP, im just saying that the biggest downfall of the engine isn't as crippling as people make it out to be. Its very possible the rods will break at 250whp, or 500whp, no one really knows for sure yet. But seeing how the 2 cars share the same open deck block and one is good for 400whp with different internals, then the lancers block should be good for 400whp. Also, everyone was saying that it would be stupid to swap Evo X internals into the 4B11 because its an open deck. Alot of evo owners are only running between 300whp-400whp on a semi-closed deck with stock internals. Once the evo guys upgrade their internals to handle 600whp+, lancer owners will be able to pick up stock evo internals for a decent price and reach a reliable 350whp-400whp. If anything goes wrong and something breaks, the lancer guys will be able to pick up aftermarket parts made for the Evo. We will probably never see more than 400whp on the open block, and it probably won't last long running at the limit. I would say a decent 340-350whp would allow enough of a safety net if you upgrade the pistons and polish the head.

Eitherway it seems pricey. There probably wont be a 300whp+ lancer for a few years, and most people won't think its worth it. I think it could make a great autocross car if it could get to about 320whp and have an amazing tuned suspension set up. The chasis is very stiff, 51% stiffer than the Evo 9, and after a little weight reduction, (only need to drop about 200lbs) i think it would crush just about every car in its class, and with the right driver, it would be able to take on vettes and BMWs.

 

What I meant was where did it say 400 WHP? I don't know if anyone has actually hit that mark yet, it's just hypothetical at this point (especially in terms of reliability). I doubt we'll ever seriously see Lancers taking on Corvettes and BMWs, having just spent the day at the track with Corvettes, I can genuinely say they're in a league of their own. Also, don't forget that mods change the class you're in. If you heavily modded a Lancer to be at 350 WHP with weight reduction and the necessary brake and suspension upgrades to keep up, you'd likely be up against far more capable cars that would simply walk away.

 

JESUS, why did I ever start this thread....... and why are people trying to say the thread is about the genesis now? It's CLEARLY about the 4bll lancer, that is why it is under lancer engine tech, DUR!! Anyways, it's amazing how quickly people get off topic and start bashing one another, my god these forums are getting bad... good times!

btw, I was not asking if it could handle it because i wanted to make a 400whp lancer, I was simply asking what people felt about another post stating that the 4b11 block was good for 400whp. The BLOCK, not the genesis version of the 4b11 build, because they have the same block, just diff components.

 

How are you going to say these are "getting" bad? How long have you been here? In my one year as an active member things are now as they were then.

what did you expect out of people? yes and no answers only? People have different opinions and most people who have a well educated opinion will argue with another based on that. That is what a forum is based upon. If this was a straigh forward ask 1 question and get 1 answer this would not be a DISCUSSION forum.

 

every body downs front wheel drive cars due to understeer and that is because they don't know how to effectively correct understeer for those who don't please read:

FWD's, give the driver considerably greater control of his or her automobile. Here's why:

* Even once traction has been basically lost, the front wheels can be pointed in the direction you want the front end to go, and by varying the engine rpm to "find" the best traction, the front end will generally "claw" its way to where you want it - around the corner, in your lane.

* Adhesion of the rear wheels can be modulated, at the same time, by APPLYING BRAKES in the corner! Thus the best cornering style, at speed, involved using right foot on the gas, and left foot on the brake, at the same time. More yaw at the rear is effected by more brake pedal pressure; more claw at the front by applying more throttle.

* Bonus: You still have the steering wheel, and now it's not just something you have to use to correct rear-wheel oversteer. You can use it to adjust the position of the front end towards or away from the center of the corner, as you simultaneously adjust traction with the right foot, and keeping the rear end where you want it with the left foot.