Im building a N/A lancer, long story but i cant get a turbo... But anyway, My mods so far r sri, headers, and catback. Next month i plan on getting the intake manifold, borred throttle body, and the piggyback.

My question is after those mods, what can i do next? ive been reading bout fuel injectors on here, andfuel pumps, and some pppl have swaped out there maf? but i was just wondering about everything i can do regarding fuel. and anything else i can do to the engine. I thought id ask all of u since u know more bout this stuff than i do. thanks guys

 

add pistons and rod..hehe

 

weight reduction.

maf swap isn't that bad, need something to tune it with i think, theres a HUGE thread in here about it somewhere.

u own't need pistons/rods....pistons if u wannaa change the compression.

easy one you forgot... 'camshaft' RPW has them in different stages, all the same price.

'fuel wise' just get a 2g turbo dsm fuel pump and a vortech fmu with 12:1 disc in it. its all u really need since u wont be running boost.

uh....yeah k im done

 

Cam - RPW
Piggyback - e-manage (more tuneability that RRM)
Higher compression pistons - RPW, RRM?
Fuel pressure regulator - RPW
Dyno tuning!

 

how much is rpw's cam stages running? i looked on the site but couldnt find a price. also i read that u shouldnt combine rrm electronics(piggyback) and rpw internals, is that wrong?

what about rpw's fuel products? they any good?

 

Just get a different tuning device if you are going to do internals that RRM doesn't sell. Get like the E-Manage, go to a dyno, and tune it, or have them tune it.

 

so the greddy e-manage will work with the rpw cams? so does that rule out the rrm piggyback? is one beter? or should i just go with rrm and not get the cams from rpw?

 

ok...

RRM piggyback is used basically for intake/header/exhaust and thats about it. it provides gains, but will not be 'tuned' right for a new camshaft.

just use E-Manage since u wanna do a Camshaft and higher compression pistons.

if ur gonna use every RRM product....and nothing from RPW the RRM piggyback will work...but once u change the Camshaft and Pistons...the piggyback wont be pre-tuned for that...so it won't work.

fastest n/a right now is 15.5 i believe...not to bad, 2-3 second drop in the 1/4....spent probably the same as a non-ic turbo...that gets u the same times or lower....so ya know. if u can't go turbo cuz of 'warranty' u cant do n/a mods either

 

y wouldnt you be able to run RRM's PB unit with rpw Cams? Isn't uranium running with an RRM Reflash and Rpw Cam 1.5?

I remeber back when the PB Came out, rrm said not to run the PB with an FPR, something like the pb was designed for stock fuel delivery systems. Could be wrong.

 

ok i pretty much got it... but what is the way to go? if i stick with rrm, will the lack of new cams hurt me? or if i do go with the rpw cams, will the different e-manage be better the same or worse than rrms piggy back?

basically since i have to stay n/a, what is the best thing to do with my future mods?

 

just out of curriosity, does anyone know what mods were on that 15.5 n/a car?

 

My suggestion is to go with RPW if you want to go all out N/A setup. They've got the most development for it. Granted, things like intake, exhaust, headers, etc can come from almost anywhere without too much conflict, using something like RRM's piggyback may lock you into RRM products because you can't adjust settings to the degree you can with a dedicated management piece.

I think the point is that you can choose between RRM's piggyback and a standalone management system and the one you can control the most will allow you to go the furthest with whatever mods you decide to go with. Since you sound like you're planning to go far, and potentially farther than anyone has gone N/A before, keep your options open. As for RRM vs. RPW, both companies have products you can use, but keep in mind that RRM doesn't really go far with N/A setups - they jump to turbo for their high performance stuff. RPW seems to have more experience with the N/A setups since they develop both N/A and turbo paths for their cars.

Oh, and an afterthought. You're not going to get the results you seem to be aiming for by having someone tell you what to get. Stick around here and you'll learn a lot. For the goals you have and the plans you want to carry out, you're going to need to know what you're doing and you're going to need to make decisions for yourself. Certainly, ask questions and get input from others, but there's no magic single answer for your goals.
-N

 

The piggyback can't adjust timing on the cam. It can fake it by leaning/richening the a/f mixture, which advances/retards the timing as a result. However, with the e-manage you can truly adjust timing by set degrees.

I think the same thing is true about using an upgraded fpr. The piggyback uses the stock ecu maps and it won't be able to read anything above those maps. So if you get an fpr, it's useless because the stock maps can't adjust for the added fuel. The e-manage gives you a 16x16 grid to adjust a/f, at both rpms (that you set) and at percentages of throttle (that the e-manage sets).

 

hmm, so it sounds like my next mods will be throttle body, intake manifold, flywheel, then i guess ill go with rpw's cams. my question with that is, will i be ok with the cams w/o the e-manage? or will i HAVE to get it, for it to run with the cams.

anyway, with switching the maf, where can i get it? and with the fuel pump and injectors, what is some possiblilities with those?

 

dont worry about injectors ur not gonna reach there peak.

get a 2g turbo eclipse/talon fuel pump or a walbro255lph pump.

if u get an MAF get one from a 3g eclipse 4cyl or an Evo. either way i believe its more complicated than just unplugging and plugging, i believe they had to splice wires etc.

i dont know where to get the MAF at, the thread with RHYZIN he listed where he got it from.

as for NEEDING eManage or other standalone to run the cams, im not sure...