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Old Oct 27, 2004 | 10:44 PM
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Better night at the track

No real drama this time, drove better, but can still get better. Its the launch taht is hurting me, its hard to launch a fwd car. I only had a few perfect launches. I ran maybe 14 times, and my friend ran it 3 times. My best time was actually the one time that i had soembody in the car with me. I ran against buikt domestics nearly every time. Raced a 10sec cobra twice even, which is pointless.

It feels like when i shift to 4th gear that is a much greater drop in power.

i had 2/3rds full tank, the temperature was in the low 70s, and the humidty was in the 90s. here are my two best times.

R/T------------.263
60'------------ 2.299
330------------6.446
1/8------------9.871
MPH-----------71.78
1000----------12.816
1/4------------15.331
MPH-----------89.43

R/T------------..045
60'------------ 2.276
330------------6.447
1/8------------9.936
MPH-----------71.12
1000----------12.891
1/4------------15.400
MPH-----------89.74

My 60ft was much better tonight. How much of a diff would an LSD probably make? How about better tires with a larger sidewall?
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 05:15 AM
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Nice 60's

what size wheels and what type of tires are you using?

WADAD

checked the registry.

did you run with the motegis or the stock wheels?

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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 06:13 AM
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Have you put in more rigid motor mounts yet? I guarantee they will improve your launch traction.
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 12:20 PM
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drop front tire pressure down to 25 psi. but then don't forget to fill em back up after =)

shift when the needle is around 6400. in actuality, it's around 6200 and fuel cut is at 6250. the needle is off. you should be able to hit 84-85 mph on the needle at the top of 3rd. (obdII verified)
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 12:31 PM
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sweet. glad to see everything working out. i'm still waiting for a couple of pieces myself, then off to the track.
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 12:35 PM
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yeah i heard the solid mounts will make a big difference... help almost as much as an lsd can with launchs
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 12:55 PM
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wadad, i was using ht e17in motegis wth the kumho 712 tires. i want to get the stockers back on but i can bc the shop that put my wheels on last year took the tuner lugnut key. they are gorilla tuner lugs and they make 40 different keys and i dont know the part number ot these so im kind of screwed. i may just take a pic of them and send the pic to the company and hopefully they could narrow it down to a few.

i want to get some stickier tires with a larger sidewall and hopefull that will get me lower into the 15s but i will probably be putting other power enhancing mods on before the tire and smaller rims so wont know the difference those make. i did like my 60' tho, its the lowest ive seen that has been posted on evom. excpect many others have beaten it, but they havent posted their times.

hobie, i havent put in more rigid motor mounts in yet. i was going to do the diy motor mount filling project with wondow weld that ROCK copy and pasted on here from the RRE website, but i heard from some dsm guys that the window weld actually falls out of the mounts after awhile so i may just get the deyeme ones. how much do you think it would help? my wheel hop really isnt too bad, especially compared to the violent wheel hop i felt in my friends gst.

rhyzin, i was lazy and didnt feel like messing with the tire pressure, i didnt bring a tire pressure gauge or a pump so i didnt want to mess with it. how muich should it really help?

i was shifting right at 6000rpms, i would puch in the clutch and shift real hard and fast never let off the throttle, so it spiked to like 6200rpms. so should i wait till 6200 to shift?

.L., thanks, it was a lot of fun last night, unlike last week. everybody was telling me that i should be able to get it into the 14s, but i was skeptical and was right.
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 01:20 PM
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The DMR mounts are ****ing fantastic. The reason FWD lose so much traction on launches is because of intertia (as you probably already know). More specifically the latter half stating that an object at rest tends to stay at rest. When the motor is under heavy load it shifts back, and the firmer mounts allow it to travel a lot less. So by allowing it to shift less it helps keep the car more balanced under heavy load during launches. You WILL notice the difference, and I suspect you WILL love the results.

Oh, and you should be in the 14's.
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 01:29 PM
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the only person that was in the 14s with this setup was boe and he had exhaust, different rim/tires, lsd, etc. gokousupersaiyan only got a 14.9 and he had the fmic even.
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 01:32 PM
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Whoa.. great runs.. but i've always read that most turbo'd lancers hit high 14's and Boe even said that some intercooled stage 1 lancers hit mid-low 14's.. maybe i was high when i read that.. i dont know.. pretty sure you should be in the 14's though.. because i've raced my friends RSX-S he's in the high 14's and i can beat him and i'm RRM stage .5..(non-i/c w/ header and testpipe @ 5psi..) so hrrmm.. maybe its my tiress.. good luck
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 01:43 PM
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I dunno, I run the same boost as a basic RRM kit, and I'd be amazed if I ran higher than 14's at the track even the way my car was running. Guess I'll just have to get it running right and track it before I go off on that anymore.
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 01:48 PM
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Those motegis are heavy if I recall. I guess the wider tire width helps traction enough to outweigh the unsprung weight of the wheels.

I've been trying to decide if I want to go with 205/50/15's on my stock wheels or upgrade to a larger wheel.

A little OT but back on topic.

I'd be really careful about the 6200 rpm shift. I bounce off the rev limiter very quickly if I am not overly careful.

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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 01:56 PM
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Have you gotten on a dyno? It'd really help improve your times if you knew when you were making the most power. Nearly bouncing off the rev limiter may not be the most effective way to shift, depending upon how your car builds power. Just a thought.
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 01:58 PM
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yeah i know that it is several things that is holding me back, how my car is right now i dont think 14s are possible.

wadad you can get 225/50/15 on your stock rims, that is a lot wider. they fit, i just talked to brian about this recently.

i was already bouncing off the rev limiter, i bounced off it all night. not a good idea tho.
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by HobieKopek
Have you gotten on a dyno? It'd really help improve your times if you knew when you were making the most power. Nearly bouncing off the rev limiter may not be the most effective way to shift, depending upon how your car builds power. Just a thought.
my best time wihtout bouncing off the rev limiter was a 15.544, i then started shifting without letting off the throttle got better times consistantly.

i havent dynoed yet, i am getting the auterra pda datalooger/dyno. i am going to get that before i put in the fmic and exhaust so i can see the diff from nonIC to IC with exhaust and then to larger injectors and fuel tuning. after that i will go to a real dyno to see the diff between a dyno jet and the pda dyno.
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