Since Bill Riley got his EVO VI registered as a KITCAR, that got me wondering if the damned thing is even legally here in the USA???

My luck, i would buy it, it gets impounded and they destroy it right in front of me.

I like this little guy ---> :soapbox:

 

hehe, yeah that soap box thing is funny. When I saw it I had to put it on the site

I'm not an authority, but I don't think having it registered as a kitcar means the Evo 6 is legal. Bill Riley has some serious money and probably went through a lot to get in registered that way.

If it doesn work, that would be a pretty big loop hole in the system, but you never know. Did you ever ask Bill Riley how he got the car registered as a kitcar?

Mark

 

Basically, the car was imported to "race", but apparently they don't come with VIN Numbers (according to him), so it somehow never made it to the race track and he applied for a "kit car vin number", then registered it that way. Seems pretty damned bogus to me... either he is lucky to get away with it, or has soooo much $ that it wouldn't matter to him if they impounded it.

I would need the car as a daily driver, so I would probably get pulled over within minutes.

I spoke to him on his cell phone back in the winter when he was "headed to sebring".ahhaha... the car was listed in the back of autoweek at some point also. No one is taking the risk for $45k!

 

Check my other thread for some info and then call your DMV and ask them what their rules are on self build cars, or kit cars.


Justin

 

Man, just seems too chancy and at $45K!!! You'd think that with all that money he'd be willing to part with it for a little less than that, but I guess once a business man always a business man

I've got a crackass idea that might work if anyone is crazy enough to try it. Buy a very cheap used Mirage w/ a clean title and register it. Then import an Evo for "race only" use and swap any and all VIN numbers. It's theoretically the same as swapping every single Evo part into a Mirage and welding the chassis, etc

Mark

 

I tried to register my evo 5 in Michigan as a kit car. I had a hell of a time trying to figure out how to do it as anyone you talk to a secretary of state (DMV or whatever) is generally pretty confused as to what the laws are. I eventually went through the process. From what i could tell there's two main things they car about. 1) the parts that make up the car aren't stolen. and 2) the car meets some basic roadworthiness standards. this i typically how people register dune buggies and stuff here.

So i figured I was in good shape. Mine isn't stolen and it certainly meets their road worthiness standards (really quite a joke). So I got the thing inspected (officer wasn't too interested once he discovered it didn't have a V8), and then submitted the forms, bills of sale, and such. this was basicallly the "application for title" point. 6 weeks later i still hadn't heard anything, so I called. after talking to 5 different people at the state, I eventually talked to the guy who was handling it. He pointed me towards this:

http://www.sos.state.mi.us/bar/deale.../5chapter.html

He said he was looking into gray market vehicles and how to register that. A week later I called back and he had decided to reject my application for title. To him it needed to be made up of no more than 50% of any one vehicle make, and mine was 90% mitsu lancer. He suggested i register it as a gray market vehicle which includes slugging through EPA and DOT stuff (as Evolution Imports will have to do).

now i was just stirring around in some Indiana web pages and came across a couple things that were interesting.

http://www.IN.gov/legislative/ic/cod.../ar17/ch4.html

http://www.IN.gov/legislative/ic/cod.../ar18/ch8.html

all this is still a bit fuzzy, but i don't see strict definitions as to what is and what isn't an assembled vehicle in Indiana. and the VIN number they give lines up with these websites.

as far as i know you can transfer the title between states. so if you bought the car, chances are you could register it wherever. maybe not CA though.

progressive will do insurance on these kit car things to. not cheap, but not completely unreasonable.

perhaps I should be looking into getting my car titled in Indiana.

as for getting the things here in the first place I don't have the impression that it's impossible. if you yank out the engine and a few other things, you can bring it in as parts. or the other option is the "race only" deal. i imagine there's people out there that would know this better. getting around customs doesn't seem to hard. getting the title, that's the biggie.

i'm still talking to people all over about other options. i'm not going down without a fight!

-Robert

 

Wow, sorry to here the kitcar approach didn't work out. I was getting excited as I read through, until the rejection line

Do you think it would be possible to purchase a cheap Mirage that has a clean title and transfer all VIN#s over to the Evo and register it as the Mirage with modifications. Essentially you'll have the clean title from the Mirage and its just as if you swapped every Evo part into the Mirage.

Good luck,

Mark

 

i think there's some company that converts ur mirage into an evolution...engine...bodykit...4wd...such and such...

 

You could transfer VIN's and such over from a Mirage, and you'd probably get away with it. There's only one problem. This is illegal, and a pretty serious offense as far as I can remember. So you probably wouldn't have a problem until you got into an accident. Anything that would end up voiding your liability insurance isn't good. I don't want to be bubba's prison ***** or spend the rest of my life paying for lawyers and lawsuits.

You could convert a mirage, but it'd be a major pain in the *** from what I can tell. Paul Timmerman in CA is doing this for a rally car. He bought a crashed evo. He's got things in the works right now, and said eventually some pics would show up in RRE's web files. It sounded like there was quite a bit of fab required in the rear of the car to get the diff and susp to fit up.

Where ever people live, you should start looking into the kit car / assembled vehicle laws there. I'm still trying to find stuff for OH, because i'm fairly close to there, and have some friends there that could probably help.

i haven't heard of any companies out there converting mirages. any more info on that?

-Robert

 

The conversion method sounds too complicated and and you'd still lose out on the stiffer chassis. Also, I don't want to be anybody's ***** becuase of a VIN# Kitcar sounds like the way.

I'm going to look into the kitcar laws in my area and see if anything is possible down here. The only thing is I don't want to find an Evo V and bring it it and then have them reject it. If the car is registered and titled in one state, than will it be tranferable from then on?

Mark

 

some magazine said there are 2 street legal Evos in the US...what do u guys think

 

I know for sure there is one street legal evo around here.

Actually, a few years ago, some guy in Michigan state was selling street legal RHD Evo6 GSR. But he was asking for 50k + and no buyers of course.
He found a loophole and took advantage of it.
The asking price was too much for me then.

 

Paul Timmerman has to do some major mods to be able to fit the rear cross members. One thing you can just do is to replace the rear floor pan with the EVO part and then every thing just swaps over.

You can get crashed EVO's in japan for really cheap. To covert them to
LHD you still have to replace the firewall, and the mirage fiewall fits right in as it is the same car.

Sounds like a ton of work but it will save you reg hastles and should save you a ton of cash too.
If anyone would be interested in such conversion, email me we are
considering offering this service.
Getting crashed cars from Japan
and converting the mirages to EVO spec.

-george

 

George,

What do expect the cost to be for the conversion (not including the Mirage, but everything else)

Thanks,

Mark

 

don't have complete pricing but, I am sure can do it under $30K.
Also depends on the cost of the donor car.

-george