Confused about EVO
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Confused about EVO
Hey all.. ive been reading ur board for a while and I have come up with a small list of questions about the EVOs. Please don't flame, I have had a hard time answering them on my own because I have come accross conflicting posts.
here they r:
- Are the Lancer V and VI faster then the VII?
- Is it possible to get a lancer V or VI in the US at this time? Are they legal imported?
- How much do the older model EVOs go for in the US?
- Is it worth buying an older EVO? and can you order them @ a local Mitsubishi Dealer?
Thanks:
TwEaK
here they r:
- Are the Lancer V and VI faster then the VII?
- Is it possible to get a lancer V or VI in the US at this time? Are they legal imported?
- How much do the older model EVOs go for in the US?
- Is it worth buying an older EVO? and can you order them @ a local Mitsubishi Dealer?
Thanks:
TwEaK
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No you cant order an older EVO at a dealership, They have been brought in for racing use only but it is quit costly, They are not street legal, The EVO VII is said to have more HP but it is heavier than the previous evo's
- Are the Lancer V and VI faster then the VII?
Generally the V and VI are slightly faster than the VII in the 1/4 mile, due to the extra weight of the 7. On a road course the 7 is the faster car because it handles better.
- Is it possible to get a lancer V or VI in the US at this time? Are they legal imported?
You can import an Evo VII from Evolution Imports ( www.evolutionimports.net ), but I don't know if they can get Evo VI's anymore... you'd have to email them to find out. Expect to pay close to $50,000 or more for an imported and legalized Evo VII unless they are still offering the special deal for around $36,500.
- How much do the older model EVOs go for in the US?
There are no official older model Evos in the US unless a private person has managed to import one and legalize it themself. There are a few Evos in the US this way, but don't expect the owners to sell them anytime soon
- Is it worth buying an older EVO? and can you order them @ a local Mitsubishi Dealer?
The Evo will be arriving to the US in January 2003, but the specs are yet to be released. That means we could get anything from the exact same model that's in Japan to a watered down US version with little to no similarities... we should know more in the coming months. In press releases, Mitsubishi has stated that the US Evo will have at least 250hp and will be priced under $30,000. If you can't wait and want to be sure of what you're getting then it's best to import an Evo VII.
Mark
Generally the V and VI are slightly faster than the VII in the 1/4 mile, due to the extra weight of the 7. On a road course the 7 is the faster car because it handles better.
- Is it possible to get a lancer V or VI in the US at this time? Are they legal imported?
You can import an Evo VII from Evolution Imports ( www.evolutionimports.net ), but I don't know if they can get Evo VI's anymore... you'd have to email them to find out. Expect to pay close to $50,000 or more for an imported and legalized Evo VII unless they are still offering the special deal for around $36,500.
- How much do the older model EVOs go for in the US?
There are no official older model Evos in the US unless a private person has managed to import one and legalize it themself. There are a few Evos in the US this way, but don't expect the owners to sell them anytime soon
- Is it worth buying an older EVO? and can you order them @ a local Mitsubishi Dealer?
The Evo will be arriving to the US in January 2003, but the specs are yet to be released. That means we could get anything from the exact same model that's in Japan to a watered down US version with little to no similarities... we should know more in the coming months. In press releases, Mitsubishi has stated that the US Evo will have at least 250hp and will be priced under $30,000. If you can't wait and want to be sure of what you're getting then it's best to import an Evo VII.
Mark
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Michael
Take the blinkers off and open your mind
The 5 and 6 are marginally quicker 0-60 but due to better torque and electronic systems such as the AYC and ACD, the 7 is quicker thru twisty roads. Almost everybody who has driven both would agree with that.
Having said that, it is questionable which is more fun. The 6 is more raw and the handling more entertaining while the 7 has higher ultimate grip and quicker pick up (more torque) out of the corners.
The only thing that everybody should agree is that they are both awesome cars and I would rather have one of them than any other car.
Take the blinkers off and open your mind
The 5 and 6 are marginally quicker 0-60 but due to better torque and electronic systems such as the AYC and ACD, the 7 is quicker thru twisty roads. Almost everybody who has driven both would agree with that.
Having said that, it is questionable which is more fun. The 6 is more raw and the handling more entertaining while the 7 has higher ultimate grip and quicker pick up (more torque) out of the corners.
The only thing that everybody should agree is that they are both awesome cars and I would rather have one of them than any other car.
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Originally posted by snelson
The 5 and 6 are marginally quicker 0-60 but due to better torque and electronic systems such as the AYC and ACD, the 7 is quicker thru twisty roads. Almost everybody who has driven both would agree with that.
The 5 and 6 are marginally quicker 0-60 but due to better torque and electronic systems such as the AYC and ACD, the 7 is quicker thru twisty roads. Almost everybody who has driven both would agree with that.
When you say that the 7 has better torque, you are right, but it's something like a 1% increase! As if that would make a difference when accelerating out of a corner!
You seem to be confused by the AYC and ACD systems: they add a lot of weight to the car and therefore make it slower (as previously stated by KK). ACD is an advantage on snow, on tarmac you dont change the settings and therefore just get the extra weight from it!
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Claudius is 100% right. The AYC/ACD combination adds a lot of weight. Gerrit's team is preparing a 7 to race at the N.ring in the 24h race and their engineer has decided to ditch them both because of the weight and reliability issues. It's good for road use, but no good for racing. And that's what counts in the end, at least in my mind.
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We need to put this back into context. Simon (snelson) is a 42-year-old Londoner who drives his 7 like a ***** 
He needs all these electronics should he get a little too optimistic with his 25-year-old mistress in the car (to impress her) when cruising to a better restaurant. However, the hard core driving experience people on here wont want that!
He needs all these electronics should he get a little too optimistic with his 25-year-old mistress in the car (to impress her) when cruising to a better restaurant. However, the hard core driving experience people on here wont want that!
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Guys
We are talking about road cars. The weight difference between the 6 and 7 is 40kgs. This is 2.8% increase. Max torque is 2.5% more (39kg-m against 38). On the 7 the torque curve is also flatter, better both lower and higher in the rev range.
As for handling, if I was building a race car I would remove the ACD and the AYC on a 7. If I was doing it on a 6 I would certainly replace the AYC and probably put in an uprated central diff. On both cars I would also replace the front diffs. What does that prove about roadcars? Nothing.
On the road car the ACD isn't static. The ECU that controls it varies the lock ratio from, potntially 0% (completely free) to 100% (completely locked) and that this is determined by 7 different inputs. It rally works and you can also get sports ECU's for the ACD. This is what SuperL has and it really makes a big difference.
We are talking about small improvements - the difference isn't great but BestCar, a leading Japanese magazine tested the 6 and 7 over 2 different types of course and the 7 was quicker on both. On a track the best times were 42.65 for the 7 and 42.75 for the 6. On a gymkhana course the times were 34.46 against 35.52.
And Claudius is nearly right. I am just an old Londoner who drives like a ***** but I don't have a 25 year old mistress because I am still madly in love with my wife
As for hard core drivers not wanting the stuff on the 7, just ask SuperL. I might be a ***** but he IS the DADDY. Just ask the Scooby crowd
As faor all this stick from young wippersnappers, didn't they teach you to respect your elders? The youth of today, they ahve a fast car for 5 minutes and think they know it all.........
We are talking about road cars. The weight difference between the 6 and 7 is 40kgs. This is 2.8% increase. Max torque is 2.5% more (39kg-m against 38). On the 7 the torque curve is also flatter, better both lower and higher in the rev range.
As for handling, if I was building a race car I would remove the ACD and the AYC on a 7. If I was doing it on a 6 I would certainly replace the AYC and probably put in an uprated central diff. On both cars I would also replace the front diffs. What does that prove about roadcars? Nothing.
On the road car the ACD isn't static. The ECU that controls it varies the lock ratio from, potntially 0% (completely free) to 100% (completely locked) and that this is determined by 7 different inputs. It rally works and you can also get sports ECU's for the ACD. This is what SuperL has and it really makes a big difference.
We are talking about small improvements - the difference isn't great but BestCar, a leading Japanese magazine tested the 6 and 7 over 2 different types of course and the 7 was quicker on both. On a track the best times were 42.65 for the 7 and 42.75 for the 6. On a gymkhana course the times were 34.46 against 35.52.
And Claudius is nearly right. I am just an old Londoner who drives like a *****
but I don't have a 25 year old mistress because I am still madly in love with my wife As for hard core drivers not wanting the stuff on the 7, just ask SuperL. I might be a ***** but he IS the DADDY. Just ask the Scooby crowd
As faor all this stick from young wippersnappers, didn't they teach you to respect your elders? The youth of today, they ahve a fast car for 5 minutes and think they know it all.........
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Just read the article on www.myevo.com. They compar the V to the VII on the same stretch of road. Quite interesting.
Additionally since I've seen the tyres fitted on the VII it would be a joke if it wasn't faster around the Ring with those. Look like semi-slicks.
Cheers
Mike
Additionally since I've seen the tyres fitted on the VII it would be a joke if it wasn't faster around the Ring with those. Look like semi-slicks.
Cheers
Mike
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Well, car magazines are always biased, even in Japan. There the used car market seems to have already determined which is the more desirable car, with used 6s sometimes being more expensive than new 7s. The 7 has more torque and power, but what's alarming here is that it runs on much higher boost than the 6 in standard form and therefore has more horsepower aswell, as many dyno tests have shown. The 6 always has around 280-86 horses whereas the 7s all seem to have more than 300 standard. I'm quite sure that Mitsu have done that to help the 7 perform against the 6. The tires have a much bigger effect though in my opinion. Those Yoko 86s (or something) against Bridgestone S-O1s, a difference like day and night. Simon, which tires were BestCar using? Or, Dino, can you maybe confirm what's going on there? In my mind there really isn't an argument, and yes, I'm being very objective here if taking in to account the facts I stated above. Anyone disagree? 
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Originally posted by snelson
Max torque is 2.5% more (39kg-m against 38). On the 7 the torque curve is also flatter, better both lower and higher in the rev range.
Max torque is 2.5% more (39kg-m against 38). On the 7 the torque curve is also flatter, better both lower and higher in the rev range.
Originally posted by snelson
And Claudius is nearly right. I am just an old Londoner who drives like a ***** but I don't have a 25 year old mistress because I am still madly in love with my wife
And Claudius is nearly right. I am just an old Londoner who drives like a *****
but I don't have a 25 year old mistress because I am still madly in love with my wife
)
Originally posted by snelson
I might be a ***** ...
I might be a ***** ...
Originally posted by snelson
As faor all this stick from young wippersnappers, didn't they teach you to respect your elders? The youth of today, they ahve a fast car for 5 minutes and think they know it all.........
As faor all this stick from young wippersnappers, didn't they teach you to respect your elders? The youth of today, they ahve a fast car for 5 minutes and think they know it all.........
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Don't want to enter the discussion here as I have only driven MichaelKs 6 for 5 minutes and a dealer's 7 for 15 at a max of 4000rpm ....
But one small detail here....6s were(and many still are) more expensive than a new 7 in the Japanese market since 6s sold for 3.350.000 Yen while the 7 is 2.900.000 Yen.....thas all....
....But one small detail here....6s were(and many still are) more expensive than a new 7 in the Japanese market since 6s sold for 3.350.000 Yen while the 7 is 2.900.000 Yen.....thas all....