Have you not seen the catastrophe that was my NA experience? Something you need to understand is while Rob is a great guy (I know he gave me a lot of advice) he's still a vendor meaning he won't lie to you, but he won't talk you out of buying his stuff. Realistically you won't make massive power NA and it's still a 4-banger thus the powerband will still be directed towards the upper RPMs (even more so as you open up the exhaust). It certainly won't be cheaper unless you get amazing deals, a ported and polished head is 1200$ through RRM, a cam is another 500-600$, upgrading the valvetrain is another 300$+, you'll want pistons and rods if you're concerned about reliability while the engine is apart so that's another 1200$+, then there's install for all this which would set you back another 1000$ at least. That's 3000$+ for what 20 hp if we're speaking realistically? It's your car so feel free to ignore what I'm saying but personally I wouldn't do it, we don't drive hondas, staying NA is very difficult for us and comes with costs (not just money wise).

 

Rods and Pistons are A Ok according to Rob. He had the choice of trying to "sell me" a turbo kit or going NA. I should be able to get what I want and have it installed for JUST over 2k. My car is decently quick for a 4 banger right now. With all those mods it should take a decent jump. Not to be ricey and stuff and brag on what I beat etc. but I/H/E preludes' base teg's, V6 mustangs etc are dead even for me or I MIGHT be able to pull one off every once in a while. I am not at all ignoring your advice, trust me, your dyno's are scary lol.

I will be yet another guinea pig going for an all N/A automatic lancer build. The WORST that could happen is me having a more reliable car, meaner sounding (due to cams) and a decent boost in power.

 

I'm sorry but I'm calling BS on those "kills", those cars are in a completely different category to a lancer. I'm not saying you didn't race them or anything like that, I'm simply saying that if it was a real race, they'd beat the lancer. This is not meant to be insulting, it is based on personal experience and performance stats. If you are concerned about reliability, do not mod the car. Everytime you touch it, you risk wrecking it.

 

I mean, I respect your opinions and am not going to argue. I personally know what I have beat (and what I have lost to lol). I just have to do what is best for me. NA is not the best for power, I will definately say that. All I can tell you at this point is I will let you know how it turns out. I am not expecting miracles. I am expecting a peppy 4 cyl. I have consulted family, friends, tuners, local shop, and RRM. Getting turbo had mixed reviews from EVERYONE. 1 friend said get it, 1 said STAY AWAY on that car, shop said he wouldn't advise for reliability's sake, and family didn't care for the idea anyway. This other way is agreed upon by everyone.

 

It's your car and I'm certainly not going to tell you what to do with it, I just don't want you to be disappointed with the results. Before I got mine dynoed people were saying I'd get 120-130 whp (or in some cases higher) easily, once I showed the results everyone was in shock and I was pissed. I decided that day to ditch the car and I couldn't be happier. Obviously this isn't for everyone, I'm just saying go in with low expectations so you'll be pleasantly surprised rather than horribly disappointed.

 

Honestly, i would never mod NA.

 

I will definately do that. Thanks for the advice.

 

I dunno dude, but I have to agree with Amby, I'm not modding my car anymore bcuz I'm at 92k miles, I'm waiting until I get my engine swap done, and have a "younger" engine that can take mods, and an evo head being mated onto it

 

Uhhh no.

The fact that you are automatic means its even more of a waste of money.

 

Another option is to buy a new block to go with the new head, that way you effectively have a new motor to start with rather than putting more pressure on a motor that's on its way out (relatively speaking).

 

By buying a new block, are u merely referring to swapping the motor, like I am doing?

 

No I meant buying a new 4G94 block.

 

lol, but I just read ur dyno post....so that would just be a waste of money, IMO

 

Umm, lets see. My lancer can beat civics, NA eclipse's, preludes, and my friend and I were comparing his audi A4 1.8T vs. my car and mine would pull by a car or two. Given they are pretty slow but... whatever. And I appreciate some input on this subject but I am sick and tired of ****ing dumbasses just rambling on about ****. (Not intended for most of you out there, including amby.. I value your all's opinions.) But I am just saying what I am going to do. The cams alone are supposed to yield 10% plus have a more usable power band. The bottom end of our cars is PERFECTLY fine... They are built really well. The poor area is the upper end (noisy valves as one example). I want to try something different and will let you all know how it turns out. But it HAS to turn out bad because if it turns out good people will just be like, you don't know what your talking about... blah blah blah.

It's my car, and I don't give a damn what other people think anymore.

/end rant

 

Ok maybe we should make some clarifications, you say you can beat those cars but we don't agree, the stats say otherwise. It is not cams, it is cam, lancers are SOHC. They say a 10% increase but a lot of mods are supposed to give a 10% increase but they obviously don't. The bottom end of lancers is not that good, but it's fine for NA (although if it was my car I'd replace the rods and upgrade the pistons to 10.5:1 or higher compression). Again, it is your car, we are simply trying to make sure you're not just throwing your money away.
Edit: To give you an idea of why I don't think you actually "beat" those cars (ie. they were racing back) here's some stats.
A stock integra can do the 1/4 mile in the 16-14 second range.
1992 Acura Integra GS-R 6.8 15.4
1993 Acura Integra GS-R 6.5 15.2
1994 Acura Integra GS-R 7.1 15.5
1994 Acura Integra LS 7.6 16.0
1996 Acura Integra GS-R 7.1 15.5
1996 Acura Integra SE 7.9 16.1
1997 Acura Integra Type R 6.5 14.7

An eclipse has about the same range.
1989 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 7.2 15.8
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T 7.4 15.9
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T (Auto) 7.4 15.5 (MT June, 94)
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.9 15.2
1992 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 7.0 15.3
1992 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS Turbo 6.7 15.3 (MT Sept, 92)
1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.8 15.2
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 9.0 16.6
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.4 14.9
2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 7.0 15.4
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 5.8 14.4