nice!

is that the tweeker kit they sell? i thought that was 1800, not 3000!

 

No he has the blue piping in the first set of pictures. IT's the non-intercooled turbo kit.

 

just got the replacement parts from RRM and it still doesn't fit that hole I was asking about. These are the parts I got:

 

This is the hole I'm confused about, there are no parts in my box that fits this. Do I have to leave it like this? See pic below and notice the yellow circle.

 

Ok, that hole you are pointing out, is for water cooling the turbo. The RRM kit DOES NOT come with parts to water cool the turbo. For some reason they do not include this, which means it must not be necessary. There should be one hole matching that one on both sides of the turbo. Nothing goes into those holes, unless you want to add water cooling some other time.

 

I'm almost gonna die right now... i thought you were actually missing the fittings for the oile supply like you had said. RRM shipped the fittings you already have... one is in the top of the turbo in that pic. Please send those back to RRM. I guess you were not specific enough to explain exactly what you needed.

Big appologies to RRM. I jumped on them for this mistake that wasn't even their mistake. Oh well. Just ship them back the fittings as they aren't cheap. Now you know that those holes are not to worry about.

What really gets me is step 12 of the instructions in section 4 states:
12) The water jacket holes(two holes on front of turbo) can be plugged or left open. Plugs are not supplied with the kit.

I realize it should say front and back... that's a typo more than anything but this should have give you some idea about those holes since the others(oil supply/return) are clearly identified in the instructions.

Not bagging but it was simple to me and i did my install from these instructions. No biggy but i just wish i didn't give RRM such a hard time about this. Now i've gotta go appologise to them.

 

In section 5... its step 16.

16)The water jacket holes(two holes on front of turbo) can be plugged or
left open. Plugs are not supplied with the kit.

Section 4 being for install without RRM header and section 5 for install with RRM header.

 

boe, i showed the pictures on the first page of this thread. I even circled them yellow just to be visually specific. I'll return the plug that's identical with the plug already in the turbo. How about the other one, the one that looks like an "L"? I think I'll need that because that is the one I will put on the screw hole beside the oil filter. I never got that one.

Do you know the metric size of watercooler hole so I can put a plug on it or i'll just put a rubber plug? Since livelyjay mentioned about watercooling, I might plan on putting one later on.

WHERE EXACTLY is the front of the turbo? Will you distinguish it when the turbo is installed on a car or does Garrett/turbonetics/etc have their own way of telling where is front? It doesn't say it in the instructions so... Forgive me if I'm asking so many questions but I just want other's (you the experts) opinion on this. I don't just want to rely on the instructions.

 

front is as it sits in the car... the front of the turbo faces the front of the car when installed... everything is relative to the car in terms of sides/positioning. Just like when you get a ding in a fender... you could say passenger/driver side front fender. This is what the meaning of front is in this case. If you mount everything as per the previous instructions you could tell that the front/back of the turbo is where you see those holes. The top and bottome get the oil supply and return.

The pics i looked at were in the beginning of your post... that was were i noticed the 90 degree AN fitting and turbo supply fitting missing. After closer look i see one fitting is in the top of the turbo already. The other fitting i don't see but you say you didn't have that so you should keep it. Send the other back.

Dookie and a couple others pointed out about those holes beeing for water cooling and not needed. You don't need to plug them but its up to you... they should just be 3/8 npt holes. Those plugs are easy to find... i never have seen anyone plug them. Usually you just leave them open. There are no exposed parts inside it is just a water passage nothing more.

Looks like you've got the info now and the parts. Should be a breeze from here on out. A lot of times people try to read to much into things. The instructions were strait forward written so that you should just have to do what they said and nothing more. Take pics yourself and feel free to edit them a little. Then you can send them in to RRM for some refreshing. Those instructions have been around since the third kit was produced. Before that there were some steps and some pics. I actually used/modified those to get the instructions you now see. Since then most have no issues at all and a lot never even call in. Never hurts to ask or call though. It seems that we were traveling 180mph in the wrong direction this time as i was thinking you were talking about the oil supply side of things. My bad.

 

btw this is the replacement header I got from RRM. Fits nicely now. The first one they got me was for the N/A.

Boe, I'm glad we're on the same lane now. As always you're a big help. Thanks Livelyjay for clearing up the watercooler question. I'll keep you guys up to date.

 

IDR, how much in total with shipping did you pay for the turbo kit and headers? just wondering. and from reading this whole thread it seems like RRM tries to do its best, but at a 3000 dollar purchase closer attention should be made. i would understand a slight delay on a 300 dollar item, but for 3k? thats hard to come up with and if RRM cant keep up with big orders like that just because its a "small business" then theyre gonna have to ship up. Business is business. No excuses. i feel IDR has a right to be a little pissed, and does deserve a little reinburstment. im not downing RRM, but when Boe turns around and tries to make the poster/buyer feel like its not a big deal, then theres a problem.

 

Lets say you ship something that has maybe 200 parts to it... you use a checklist and everything gets put in the box all at once. How much more can you do about a little part missing... well RRM got the fittings right out.

The header wasn't the issue here at all. Everything works on when you buy... the next series of headers came out after initialD ordered his kit. Thus he got headers that were more for NA and needed to be dented. RRM corrected this once i found that he only missed things by a few weeks. They got him the new one that actually fits great... now all NA and turbo people will not have any issues with them. It took some time to get the designs finalized as RRM has to buy big quantities evertime to keep prices competetive.

Remember that header was designed for the NA car not turbo... people want to use it with the turbo though so RRM has been working with its manufacturer to get it in shape to fit both applications without losing any performance.

The kit InitialD has is great and i'm sure he'll tell you that there is a lot to it. RRM has and continues to do great work and when they ship due to mistakes... they absorb the costs of them. Usually they do assist if a customer has to pay shipping in any way. They give price cuts on other products or sometimes they throw a hose kit/boost controller in a box and send it to the customer for free. Either way you look at it they are always there assisting and helping. Many installs are done at home by the buyers. RRM spends countless hours on the phones assisting everyone else that calls and guiding these installers in order to have a successful kit.

If you had any idea how many pm's and how many post helping out these kind of deal i've done you'd see that there is no need at all to be upset over this. RRM is ALWAYS and has ALWAYS been there for EVERY customer!!

I'm not upset at any of this and i know InitialD is cool with everything... in the end if you hold things agianst RRM then you do. If you don't want there stuff do this then you don't. Fact is that those who are going the fastest and achieving the most are using their products and taking their advice. A lot of places will sell you stuff but not offer any advice on a perfect combination. Take it as you want and hold whatever you want against them...

RRM's heart and sole is in the lancer community. They give a lot to this community and more than any other vendor does. That to me means more than any little inconveniece, which they make up for, that i could experience.

 

thats cool, i understand, and i am a rrm buyer how had delay problems too. but im cool, im just saying on big purchases.

 

yeah i wish things went smoother as well. I know ROCK does as he has to make up for things, spend extra time, and eat shipping costs. That takes out of the profit and also takes time away from developement. It kills him everytime something goes wrong... he takes it personally and it actually concerns him greatly. Mistakes happen though so he's doing the best he can to overcome/lesson them.

 

archangelite...I paid 3500 total I think a little more, I'm not sure. That's including the headers. Well that's true, business is business and the fact that without the customers, you don't really have any business. But I like my lancer and I like the fact RRM supports it wholeheartedly, unlike any other businesses. So, they've been really great so far. I'm sure they got their hands full...especially right now that I just heard they got robbed...