I'm waiting for that day. I will definitely drop the cash down for that.

*throws a hint at RRM*

 

cvt is a waste of life.

 

mine doesnt have sport mode but i feel like 2k is the redline for me. its crazy.

 

well i dont know how you guys drive but my CVT drives just fine and i can easily get to the 3k rmp mark from the jump and i dont have any mods completely stock but i am looking to get the RRM AB.

 

well yea.. getting there is fine but the noise coming out from the exhaust sounds like the car is having a hard time so being less than 10k on the odo for me, i try to not push her too much.

 

yea I understand the sound but the CVT tranny is made to run on higher RPMS so it will be fine the cvt will ensure that all systems are go before it will do what you are asking of it.

 

how do u redline a cvt? ps u know how the automatic ones are what de hell is the DS on the shifter?

 

Power is more a function of the engine than the trans, if you want more from a 4 banger you need a turbo or more CC's, which adversely affects mileage and costs.

6 speeds are unnecessary in manuals or AT's, except in certain cases in racing. It's driven my market demand, it's what people want.

To be truly useful the ratios should be like a 5 speed with the 6th gear being even taller than a normal 5th. Most are not, this one included, with 6th being the same ratio as a 5th 5 speed just one extra shift point between the bottom and top.

what a close ratio 6 speed like this allows is a shorter and thus higher HP powerband, so more power from the same size engine, just means more shifting

caused by the gear spread you get with 6 speeds, and trying to get power from a small 4 banger. Try a 600 sport bike, you can go down shift 3 times before you get on the power.

This trans is pretty much cutting edge technology that Mitsu has been pretty successful with from an engineering perspective. Honda for instance has tried to build a CVT with limited success, they have problems and have to be rebuilt/replaced with high frequency and they've had them for years.

 

I think it would be better if it was possible to reprogram the 6 steps for when you are using the paddles to allow drivers to have gear ratios suited to them, or even 2 switchable modes, IE one mode for around town driving where all the ratios are quite short and close together, and then another one for highway driving where they are spread out a bit more.

I'd understand if Mitsi didn't make this a user changeable option as your normal silly driver would screw it up, but the 6 points are only set in software, they aren't actual gears as such so it should be easy to implement.

 

I concur with the last thread. I bought my 09 Lancer GTS CVT in november of last year and a friend got me hooked on autocross. I started autocross in January and it was not till this last event that I drove the car in manual shift mode. While I did not crush any records my time was 3-4 seconds faster in manual mode than letting the computer shift for me. The comp is definately a power thief!) The more experienced racer who also drove the car believes we could probably shave another 2 seconds off the time if we find a comfort zone between 1st and 2nd gear (We did not detect a rev limiter kicking in but we did not push 1st gear past 4KRPM). We race at a small course so this xmission is fine for those events. I do believe that you will sacrifice power but if you like having the option of the manual shifting or just letting the cvt shift, it is a good fit for you. It would be nice if the shift points could be changed to suit the drivers needs.

 

I misspoke in my last entry. meant to say:

We never took 1st gear to the rev limit 6500RPM. Only took it to about 4000RPM.

Thats what I get for trying to type.

 

responding to post https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6988050-post23.html

Originally Posted by evo_soul
I can press and press and press a little more and never get the right amount of power I am seeking.

Power is more a function of the engine than the trans, if you want more from a 4 banger you need a turbo or more CC's, which adversely affects mileage and costs.

In most respects I was referring to the drivers demand for power within its limits. Not full throttle. Its really hard to apply the pedal and get the exact amount of power you want.
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*. too many gears, 5 gears would have been better with D mode as an overdrive gear.

6 speeds are unnecessary in manuals or AT's, except in certain cases in racing. It's driven my market demand, it's what people want.
To be truly useful the ratios should be like a 5 speed with the 6th gear being even taller than a normal 5th. Most are not, this one included, with 6th being the same ratio as a 5th 5 speed just one extra shift point between the bottom and top.
what a close ratio 6 speed like this allows is a shorter and thus higher HP powerband, so more power from the same size engine, just means more shifting


Similar to what you said but the 5th gear model similar to what the 5 speed has. My thoughts were to use the D mode as a dynamic Overdrive gear.


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*. I have to paddle down 2 times at least to find the right level of power.

caused by the gear spread you get with 6 speeds, and trying to get power from a small 4 banger. Try a 600 sport bike, you can go down shift 3 times before you get on the power.

This trans is pretty much cutting edge technology that Mitsu has been pretty successful with from an engineering perspective. Honda for instance has tried to build a CVT with limited success, they have problems and have to be rebuilt/replaced with high frequency and they've had them for years.


Unfortunately Mitsubishi's focus was 100% on fuel economy and did not wish to entertain the idea of a more power oriented performance profile. At least a switch option between the two. but it is what it is.

In terms of the technology. No doubt, the Jatco CVT is great.

 

But I think the total ratio range is similar to most 5 speeds, in other words the lower and upper limit. Which is mechanical not electric. What it should be with 6 speeds is a same ratio 5th (.75) and additional taller ratio 6th. (.6)

autobahn here we come.

 

This the 1st time driving a CVT, so far driving to work daily it is fine. But wish, more response on take off.

 

I think they hit the nail on the head so far with the CVT

Have always driven stick, and still have a fun 5 speed for the weekends and track days etc - so I wanted an economical, good looking, comfortable automatic - that everyone and their mother didn't have...

I agree the lancer is "slow" when compared to sports cars, but the vast majority of sedans and what not I am easily able to pull away from (in a gts) and dollar for dollar (fully loaded gts for 20,500 +tax out the door) nothing on the market comes close

If slow or bogged launches are that much of an annoyance or headache... hold the brake in hard, floor the gas, let it rev to ~2k rpm and let go of brake - problem solved (its an automatic... deal with it)

regular driving, spirited and everything in between i feel it does the job just fine. I agree with evo_soul in that it is very difficult to get the exact power/acceleration from the pedal - heck even keeping the car going a constant say 70mph is difficult from what im used to.

in a manual - i put down 50% throttle, the car accelerates till the resisting forces equal the output of my car and then the car holds its speed - however with the cvt - 50% throttle accelerates the car steadily - so you must back off at some point - and is quite quirky to get used to (for me at least)

fast acceleration seems near impossible - when comparing a cvt to a 5 speed the cvt is over a full second slower with 0-60 times - even when launching like an idiot - dont know what causes that, almost like the computers dont communicate well (mivec & cvt) as 80% throttle is pretty much the same as wot

all in all i love it though, if i planed to race it, then manual all the way - or the twin clutch job like the RA & mr's have - for a daily driver, cannot complain one bit