Lower rear Tie Bar
I put the big bar on my RA and the smaller one on my GF's OZ.
Here is a chameleon paint pic. It doesn't do it justice though...
Here is a chameleon paint pic. It doesn't do it justice though...
Last edited by PDXRalliArt; Jul 30, 2004 at 10:18 AM.
Few questions for ya. I was going to PM you but i figured it was better for all to see incase they have the same.
First off I'd like to say that this is a very professional looking kit. You took the extra step and made it look really nice and designed it thinking of function and fashion which is important to almost all tuners. It isnt a peice of angle iron drilled out and painted with 1 coat of tremclad. I would buy this.
My main question is: Howq does this work? Yes I know it stiffins up the rear which reduces body roll and blah blah blah. but doesnt it tie the two bars that need the movement to absorbe bumps. If these are tied stiff doesnt that defeat the purpose of a independant suspention?
Please let me know. Iam curious on the effects on the car (negative and positive) and how this is better/worse then a lower and/or upper rear strut bar.
Cheers
Danno
First off I'd like to say that this is a very professional looking kit. You took the extra step and made it look really nice and designed it thinking of function and fashion which is important to almost all tuners. It isnt a peice of angle iron drilled out and painted with 1 coat of tremclad. I would buy this.
My main question is: Howq does this work? Yes I know it stiffins up the rear which reduces body roll and blah blah blah. but doesnt it tie the two bars that need the movement to absorbe bumps. If these are tied stiff doesnt that defeat the purpose of a independant suspention?
Please let me know. Iam curious on the effects on the car (negative and positive) and how this is better/worse then a lower and/or upper rear strut bar.
Cheers
Danno
This is definately a valid question. Thanks for asking.
How it works:
It ties the two pivot points together as shown in this picture. Its just the pivot points, not the moving parts themselves.

The bar mounts under those two nuts you can see. It eliminates any flex in the lower tie points. The sheetmetal can bow slightly, that in turn changes camber angle in an adverse way. By eliminating flex, it eliminates posative camber (tire tilting out, changing the tire contact patch).
By keeping the camber angles where they need to be, The tire contact patch is maximized.
The bar isn't better or worse than the upper strut bar or front K brace. They all have their own job. With all 3 installed, they compliment eachother. Its like completing a circle. Imagine 2 vertical lines. I I Now connect the two lines at the bottom ends to form a U. Then connect the top. O The U isbetter than the I I, and the O is better than the U.
Here is a testimonial:
My fiance has all 3 components on her 02 OZ. I doubt she does much "spirited" driving, but she did comment on how firm her car feels. She said that she really noticed when she went to her bank. It has a steep entry angle. She said her car used to flex going into their driveway.
It doesn't now.
Another member of these boards posted that this bar helped their rear end track better. (not my bar, but a competetor's) It got rid of some of the horrid understeer.
Thanks for all your comments and questions. Please feel free to ask me anything you might have in mind. The only silly question is the one not asked.
Rob
How it works:
It ties the two pivot points together as shown in this picture. Its just the pivot points, not the moving parts themselves.

The bar mounts under those two nuts you can see. It eliminates any flex in the lower tie points. The sheetmetal can bow slightly, that in turn changes camber angle in an adverse way. By eliminating flex, it eliminates posative camber (tire tilting out, changing the tire contact patch).
By keeping the camber angles where they need to be, The tire contact patch is maximized.
The bar isn't better or worse than the upper strut bar or front K brace. They all have their own job. With all 3 installed, they compliment eachother. Its like completing a circle. Imagine 2 vertical lines. I I Now connect the two lines at the bottom ends to form a U. Then connect the top. O The U isbetter than the I I, and the O is better than the U.
Here is a testimonial:
My fiance has all 3 components on her 02 OZ. I doubt she does much "spirited" driving, but she did comment on how firm her car feels. She said that she really noticed when she went to her bank. It has a steep entry angle. She said her car used to flex going into their driveway.
It doesn't now.
Another member of these boards posted that this bar helped their rear end track better. (not my bar, but a competetor's) It got rid of some of the horrid understeer.
Thanks for all your comments and questions. Please feel free to ask me anything you might have in mind. The only silly question is the one not asked.
Rob
Last edited by PDXRalliArt; Aug 9, 2004 at 09:48 AM.
Thanks, good info. Another one I have is that one of your compeditors (the one with the angle iron peices) claims that it is un-safe to have all 3. I beg to differ because it would just rid of the understear and may cause a bit of over stear and therefor track better. I guess maybe he never drove a RWD or AWD. What is your opinoin on this? (I know no stupid questions, just stupid people)
Originally Posted by Danno
Thanks, good info. Another one I have is that one of your compeditors (the one with the angle iron peices) claims that it is un-safe to have all 3. I beg to differ because it would just rid of the understear and may cause a bit of over stear and therefor track better. I guess maybe he never drove a RWD or AWD. What is your opinoin on this? (I know no stupid questions, just stupid people)
Ladies and Gents. I am rescinding my previous opinion on the handling and predictability of the car when both the rear strut brace and tie bar are utilized. I put the tie bar on again last night and threw the car through several corners. The rear tracked the front better than ever! If I had to guess, I'd say my initial impression came from driving on a night when the roads may have been damp.


