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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 07:32 PM
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How long before the Subies are faster?

This is just a open ended question and many may argue the wrong forum too. I own a 05' EVO and I still like my car alot more than a WRX, but I'd be willing to bet that in drag performance the WRX will be surpassing the EVO in the next 2-3 years.

http://west.carrito.net/videos/bigvalley.wmv

here is his latest video a 9.67@145 on a GT35R...that's faster than any EVO on a 35R and the reason??? Displacement 2.65 liters of it with a 8.5K redline it just seems like a matter of time before more Subies start doing strokers.
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 07:35 PM
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Doesn't affect 99% of us who drive our Evos daily with the opportunity to make 350-400whp on the stock turbo. I'm happy knowing that no Subie can even touch my $925 spent on bolt-ons without a turbo upgrade.
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 09:24 PM
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nahhh, evo>sti...im a fan of the sti but i dont think it will be taking evo's in 2-3 years!
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 10:36 PM
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Hard to say... stock the STI has more power than the Evo and they can just as easily go into the 400's and more. As far as I'm concerned the video with the STI beating the Evo that stalled out is all I need for proof.
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 11:27 PM
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For me it all about the displacement 2.0<2.65.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 12:12 AM
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its not like the sti isnt open to mods... they make as much power as us with their upgrades... and making 400whp with a stock turbo ... not that realistic... unless u have alky or 100octane... i luv my evo for an sti... but both cars are great, and in the end it really comes down to the driver... and how they like their cars... i love my evo and how it feels
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jasil
This is just a open ended question and many may argue the wrong forum too. I own a 05' EVO and I still like my car alot more than a WRX, but I'd be willing to bet that in drag performance the WRX will be surpassing the EVO in the next 2-3 years.

http://west.carrito.net/videos/bigvalley.wmv

here is his latest video a 9.67@145 on a GT35R...that's faster than any EVO on a 35R and the reason??? Displacement 2.65 liters of it with a 8.5K redline it just seems like a matter of time before more Subies start doing strokers.
From a point of view of a guy(Me) that spent $7000 in just engine parts and tunning alone on a WRX, I can tell you right now that the WRX is in a different league.

The stock intercooler on the WRX suffers from heat soak, the stock turbo max out at around 16PSI. I think the cost of making the WRX equally fast to a 05 Evo kills the purpose of modding it already. You need a few grand to make a WRX competitive with a Evo stock. From that point anything you do to a Evo will cost you twice the money on a WRX in order to keep up.

I feel a joy/pain everytime I see a WRX owner. First you know is that every WRX owner has the TurboXS BOV and want to make the noise. Then I feel bad that possibly they haven't realize how difficult is to make a WRX fast and how much trouble is ahead of them with the stock tranny.

Then next thing you know is that one third of the people wants to do the STItranny conversion from the spec c version 7 WRX from Japan which cost you somewhere around $7000.

All I have to say is $7000 I spent on my WRX and got me a pathetic 13.266@104.32 and 280whp/255tq on a Dyno Dynamic Dyno

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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 01:08 AM
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Well, the Sti is in a way _not_ open to mods.

What I mean is that as we all know, you can get really good gains with <$1000 on an evo, and all of the parts for that you can install in your garage.

To get that sort of gain on the Sti, you're looking at a lot more money and most of it will have to be done by professional mechanics which adds even more to the price

On an Sti you can add a piggy-back, intake, TBE and that's about all that you can do at home (and the TBE is stretching it a bit). I posted a while back the how-to for changing the exhaust manifold on the Sti and it's pretty horrific. With the evo, you can probaly do it in around an hour. Another example, cams. You can, with reasonable competence, change your evo's cams. On the Sti, you'll need to get the engine out.

Various other things make the Sti's more expensive to modify. The more complicated plumbing, top mounted I/C, two cylinder banks, etc.

Factors like these are the main reason, IMO, that if you pick an evo and an Sti off the street, the evo will be quicker. If it's more difficult to make parts for the Sti, fewer manufacturers will bother. If it's more difficult to install, fewer owners will bother. Both drive the $/hp up and up. But once you get to a point of getting a stroker for your evo or your sti, then things even out difficulty wise, so it's mainly the mildly modified stages that the evo has the edge. Really, it's not the capability of the car, it's the costs.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 02:17 AM
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There is little question that EVO's are cheaper and easier to run the number, but in there ultimate form I think there will be a time that 2.65-2.70 liter motors will show their worth and run some serious times.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 02:45 AM
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some people dont understand.. ANY car can be fast if enough money is throw at it. the fastest civic can beat the fastest evo. but how many civics can even come close to a stock evo? not many. an evo can run 11s on stock turbo mid 11.6s if you push it. there is no sti that can run 11.6 or even 11.8 on stock turbo it cant be done. trherefore they need to spend so much more to become fast. then if they want to run 10s, they need to build the motor, where evos can do it with a big turbo upgrade.
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