3000GT VR-4 / Stealth R/T
Originally Posted by k_fabec
Ok... I will give you the heads up. 3KGTs... They are a type of DSM reguardless of where they were built. Same designers, engineers, parts.... And they act just like DSMs (Eclipses, Talons). Thus, major PITA. But, on the otherhand, since they act/are DSMs, if you know what your are doing in the DSM world, they are no harder to work on than an Eclipse or Talon.
First.... get a 93 or better as they have forged cranks.
Some people like the five speed of the 93-96 better than the six of 97-99.
3000GTs always look better than Steath (IMHO)
Sealths have less to break. (no active aero, no AWS)
Trannys are impossible to get parts (get a smooth shifting one)
http://www.stealth316.com/
Anyway, get the VR4 to start, you will save major money than starting with a N/A.
Also, I wouldn't get one as a DD just cause they are now starting to get fairly old and will give you all sorts of headaches, but as a fun car, should be great.
/<
BTW: I currently own a 90 TSi, a 99GSX, 91 Stealth N/A, and a 93 VR4 and have the hand scars to proove it. ;-)
First.... get a 93 or better as they have forged cranks.
Some people like the five speed of the 93-96 better than the six of 97-99.
3000GTs always look better than Steath (IMHO)
Sealths have less to break. (no active aero, no AWS)
Trannys are impossible to get parts (get a smooth shifting one)
http://www.stealth316.com/
Anyway, get the VR4 to start, you will save major money than starting with a N/A.
Also, I wouldn't get one as a DD just cause they are now starting to get fairly old and will give you all sorts of headaches, but as a fun car, should be great.
/<
BTW: I currently own a 90 TSi, a 99GSX, 91 Stealth N/A, and a 93 VR4 and have the hand scars to proove it. ;-)
They're not DSM's and they're not that similar.
Made in Japan versus made in US
V6 versus I4
Twin Turbo versus single Turbo
Different interior
Different chassis
Different transmission
Different transfer case
They maybe share 5% of their parts like the IAC and brake lines (minor parts)
The Stealths had AWS from 91-94. 95-96 Stealths had no AWS, no ECS, no digital climate control and are the lightest of the 3S's. They're a good year to get.
91-93 = 5spd
94+ = 6spd
Tranny parts are more available now then they were in the past.
They're great cars! Loved taking it on long road trips and with snow tires I've never felt safer in any car in the winter (they're 320hp AWD tanks), but they will never handle like an Evo.
Originally Posted by Dan2510
I dont think they are comparable. Isn't the VR4 twin turbo 3.0 V6 twin turbo AWD w/ center diff and traction control..Is this a daily driver for you?
Carlos
Originally Posted by Dan2510
WOW 15K and only 500HP to show for it ouch......
Carlos
Originally Posted by k_fabec
Ok... I will give you the heads up. 3KGTs... They are a type of DSM reguardless of where they were built. Same designers, engineers, parts.... And they act just like DSMs (Eclipses, Talons). Thus, major PITA. But, on the otherhand, since they act/are DSMs, if you know what your are doing in the DSM world, they are no harder to work on than an Eclipse or Talon.
First.... get a 93 or better as they have forged cranks.
Some people like the five speed of the 93-96 better than the six of 97-99.
3000GTs always look better than Steath (IMHO)
Sealths have less to break. (no active aero, no AWS)
Trannys are impossible to get parts (get a smooth shifting one)
http://www.stealth316.com/
Anyway, get the VR4 to start, you will save major money than starting with a N/A.
Also, I wouldn't get one as a DD just cause they are now starting to get fairly old and will give you all sorts of headaches, but as a fun car, should be great.
/<
BTW: I currently own a 90 TSi, a 99GSX, 91 Stealth N/A, and a 93 VR4 and have the hand scars to proove it. ;-)
First.... get a 93 or better as they have forged cranks.
Some people like the five speed of the 93-96 better than the six of 97-99.
3000GTs always look better than Steath (IMHO)
Sealths have less to break. (no active aero, no AWS)
Trannys are impossible to get parts (get a smooth shifting one)
http://www.stealth316.com/
Anyway, get the VR4 to start, you will save major money than starting with a N/A.
Also, I wouldn't get one as a DD just cause they are now starting to get fairly old and will give you all sorts of headaches, but as a fun car, should be great.
/<
BTW: I currently own a 90 TSi, a 99GSX, 91 Stealth N/A, and a 93 VR4 and have the hand scars to proove it. ;-)
Lets hear from a guy that actually owned one, modded one and raced one and that would be me.
1) The Stealth R/T had AWD steering but it did not have the System Aero which was the front and rear spoiler electronically controlled.
2) The Stealth R/T TT production ended in 96
3) Neither the 3000GT VR4 nor the Stealth R/T TT had 5 speeds in 95, they had 6 speed from 94 and up
4) You can get parts for the trannys
5) the 6 speed trannys were Getrag and the first generation 5 speed trannys were not
Is there anything else I can clarify for you before you keep misleading this Evo forum bro?
Carlos
Originally Posted by Big Shooter
im thinking about getting one. just wondering what the best years were? if they had any major issues? how do they compare to the evo?
On this cars there is vitually no turbo lag, the stock turbos spin almost inmdeiately but also they do run out of breath very quick.
The stock turbos normally run 11psi from factory but you can push then to about 14psi before you have to mess around with fuel.
The recommended upgrade turbos for better performance within a affordable budgets are the 13G turbos, this turbos are significantly bigger than the stocker 9b turbos.
This engine also has the famous ticking noise as the 4G63. You must use always 100% Shytetic oil as the rear turbo oil line has the habit to clog with bad oil.
The stock exhaust is very heavy and it is recommended to go with a all around single muffler.
It is a must to do the timing belt when doing the water pump, it is about a 5-6 hour job and you can save money by doing both.
There are only a few places that can actually perform a AWD and AWS on that car, I found out that actually SEARS has the proper equipment to do this kind of alignments.
Tuning this car can be difficult, it is not like the EVO, so far up to today there is not many people that can tune these cars.
I personally know Trevor which has one of the fastest Stealth in the country 10.9@133, he is on this forum somewhere and he is serious competition for us in AZ as he put down 559whp before he changed the turbos again to Evo III turbos.
I would say it is a great car to have for drag racing.. Remember, I highly suggest the 94 and up, prefereibly the Stealth R/T which came very stripped from that year on. The transfer case on the first models were aluminium and use to break often, the second gen transfer case was cast iron and hardly broke. I hope I helped you some on my opinion.
I sold my modded Stealth R/T when I was caught at 148MPH in A-11 motorway in the UK back in MAY 2000.
Carlos
Last edited by fromWRXtoEVO; Mar 27, 2006 at 07:47 PM.
Originally Posted by CDeutsch
For the archives, lets clear up some misinformation.
They're not DSM's and they're not that similar.
Made in Japan versus made in US
V6 versus I4
Twin Turbo versus single Turbo
Different interior
Different chassis
Different transmission
Different transfer case
They maybe share 5% of their parts like the IAC and brake lines (minor parts)
The Stealths had AWS from 91-94. 95-96 Stealths had no AWS, no ECS, no digital climate control and are the lightest of the 3S's. They're a good year to get.
91-93 = 5spd
94+ = 6spd
Tranny parts are more available now then they were in the past.
They're great cars! Loved taking it on long road trips and with snow tires I've never felt safer in any car in the winter (they're 320hp AWD tanks), but they will never handle like an Evo.
They're not DSM's and they're not that similar.
Made in Japan versus made in US
V6 versus I4
Twin Turbo versus single Turbo
Different interior
Different chassis
Different transmission
Different transfer case
They maybe share 5% of their parts like the IAC and brake lines (minor parts)
The Stealths had AWS from 91-94. 95-96 Stealths had no AWS, no ECS, no digital climate control and are the lightest of the 3S's. They're a good year to get.
91-93 = 5spd
94+ = 6spd
Tranny parts are more available now then they were in the past.
They're great cars! Loved taking it on long road trips and with snow tires I've never felt safer in any car in the winter (they're 320hp AWD tanks), but they will never handle like an Evo.
This car is a true GT in the most pure sense.
I don't know why but this cars are soo understimated, unfortunately the Supra market is stronger but I put my money on these cars, they are great, comfortable, luxurious, fast and safe.
Carlos
Recently sold 96 VR-4 for 03 Evo. Cars are completely different. The VR-4 was a good daily driver that was confortable to drive and had a huge gas mileage range (~18 gallon tank). The VR-4 is close to 3,800lbs. The VR-4 has MUCH more luxurious interior. The Evo is bare bones race car with no luxury items. They are both good cars for different things, it depends on what you want out of that car. I sold the VR-4 because parts are really expensive and it was pointless to try and modify it. I've had 2 3000GT's, 1 stealth, 1 Eclipse GSX, and 1 Evo. I love the Evo WAYYYY more than the others.
Hope that helps
-Mike
Hope that helps
-Mike
