i wasn't speaking directly toward you, but OK. haha my question regarding wtf u doing here, meant why did you buy an evo if you were looking for comfort, reliability, interior, luxury, and bling? i assumed that most EVO owners purchase the vehicle for performance and not everything else that is lacks. As a result, I stated that the caymann wasn't that great of a performance bang for the buck.

Well, you stated that you wanted comfort, reliability, and all the things the EVO does not have, then you go on to say you don't. So you wanted an "enthusiasts" car, not a luxury sedan, but now you're looking for comfort, reliability, interior, luxury, and bling? So you're basically switching over, in that case, get a luxury family saloon. =)

"Why would you pass up a car with equal or better performance than the EVO plus comfort, luxury, safety, reliability and style?" In stock form, like I said before, a lot of cars compare to the EVO, but considering the potential, it's a different story. But as I understand, you're looking not to mod, so yea, the EVO would just suck then. haha

So the MR is more comfortable than the GSR? Or does it have better interior? You should have gotten the SSL package then. =P To your standards, EVO suspension isn't so comfortable either then, if you think M3 is race car.

but anyway, whatever floats your boat. =D

 

I think you are wrong. Modifying cars is a never ending unfulfilling quest. All cars can be modified and it's like an arms race. You modify your EVO to get 50 more HP and the next guy modifies his Civic to get those ponies and 1 more . Big deal, who cares about a few extra whp or ft/lb of TQ? Besides, the single most important part in a speed contest is the driver. I guarantee you that an expert driver can take a stock Yugo and probably spank even a modded EVO in the twisties, if the driver is unskilled or untalented. Even in a drag race, the driver has a huge impact in the outcome of the race. I know that for a fact. There are lots of EVOs out there that will run 13's with one driver and 14's with another.

As far as desireing comfort and style as well as performance, it's fine and reasonable thing to want. Those qualities are not mutually exclusive. The finest (most expensive) cars are often incredibly fast, quick and super luxurious. They give up very little in a few aspects to gain hugely in other aspects. Take for instance the Mercedes Benz E500 or 500E or the AMG prepared cars. Those are blisteringly fast and can handle extremely well while carrying 5 or more individuals in comfort and safety. All those big cars have capability of top speeds vastly higher than the EVO. Even an extensively modified EVO would not keep up in top speed with a big Mercedes or big Audi without speed limiting.

I think that the 335i for instance is one of those cars that combines high performance with luxury, style and safety very well. The only downside is the higher price. OTOH, if I had purchased the 335i instead of the EVO MR, I would have only paid around $10K more..... For that price, the 335i is a real bargain. And yes, with equal drivers, the 335i will own the EVO. Also, if you want to modify, go ahead. Vishnu already makes XEDE for the 335i, they produce lots of HP and Tq. gains with nothing more than the XEDE....

 

I agree with everything except for one of the last statements. I don't think the 335 owns the Evo around a track if they're both kept stock. I know several people who have driven them and have read several reviews and everyone has said the handling leaves something to be desired. Part of this is due to the rubber they come with stock.

 

Evos and STI's are both god ugly...anyone who drives one of those riceburners has no place calling any other vehicle ugly, not evena Yugo

 

It's not really "never ending". A car has it's maximum potential. EVO with 500hp would kill a Civic with 500hp, because the civic can't handle the horsepower. Even if it could, it wouldn't handle as nicely. The extra horsepower can help a car, such as the EVO because it CAN handle the extra horsepower. There is an extent to each vehicle, and I think the EVO is extremely under that extent because of the JDM horsepower limitations. Probably why the UK got the FQ400.

I definitely agree with you about driver. I experience that all the time. haha

I modified EVO can't be faster top speed than a Mercedes? O_o Those cars definitely have it all, but of course for the $. M5 has it all. Comfort mode, Race mode, can switch it up with a push of a button. They solved your problem, except for the big price tag.

I haven't driven or even seen a 335 in person, so I won't go there. haha

 

335 is a nice car. I got to drive shivs's xede tuned 335, it was pretty quick, and the interior/ exterior is fantastic. I think it made 340 whp with a catback and an xede. Not bad for 91 octane.

 

You are retarded.

I am not talking about an old beat up European car, I am talking about Cayman, they came out in 2006, which is pretty damn new. So what if I am about name brand, does the Cayman lacks in performance? Have you driven one?

Funny thing is that, back in couple years I used to think JUST like that, why need a Porsche when you got an Evo that has A LOT potentials. I guess I grew out of modding car to 400-500whp, smoking most cars I see on the streets. Now, I'd like to enjoy the finer things and Porsche definitely falls in that section.

Evo owners has TOO much egos, especially now they're so common, a lot Evo owners are becoming like SRT-4 owners - think that their car is all fast, good suspension, comfortable.. yes yes Evo is a fast car, handles very well, roomy and attracting but IT IS NOT THE BEST CAR out there. Get that straight

 

It is better in every performance category when compared to a base cayman, but to the layperson a cayman would be much more of a status symbol. Obviously, anyone who thinks that was shouldnt be driving an evo in the first place.

 

It's not the arrow it's the Indian, to translate a PR saying, the brand does not make the driver. I have seen too many Porsche, Ferrari, Maseratiand Aston Martin drivers think that they are the next Michael Schumakers and have their insurance companies buy them another new car

 

You are right that it's the driver that makes the most difference. But the rest is total BS, most Porsche, Ferrari, Maserati and Aston Martin drivers don't drive fast and certainly don't drive like nuts. Most of those folks are way more mature (and wealthy) than the average EVO driver. It's the EVO drivers who think they are the next Michael Schumaker and get the insurance company to buy them a new EVO. The EVO is one of the most expensive cars to insure because so many are wrecked or stolen.

 

Yeah, you are right. I used to like the EVO a lot more when there were fewer of them and it was more special to drive one. Frankly, I'm a car enthusiast but I'm not a race driver and I cannot get the maximum performance out of any high performamce car. I just enjoy owning and driving them and socializing a little with other owners. I really don't care which is the ultimately best performing car I can get because there are so many which are so close in performance. I guess I should not be driving the EVO or for that matter any other high performance car

 

The M coupe is an awesome car....I would definitely take one of those. Gotta love that 330 hp inline 6.

 

Get the porsche! Those things are so hot and perform really well.

 

I think there's nothing wrong with your Evo. Your wife might learn to love it, too. I bet you that if she were to learn how to drive it, it would be from disgust to lust with her. Women are attracted to great looks. However, it's not what they fall in love with. Women know better than men to look beyond looks and see the person (or Evo in this case) for what it truly is: an amazing piece of engineering.

You sound like you really value what heritage a car has or hasn't. Compare the heritages of the Evo and 335i. The Evo, well, it goes unsaid that it's a car with a glorious past. The 335i ... hmm, since when did Beemers do FI? Sounds like one is trying to be the other. (I hope my facts are correct about Beemer and FI - lol.)

At the end of the day, I think you should wait for the X. Make arrangements now to be one of the first stateside to own it. Yes, keep the Evo that you have now and leave it "unmolested." Take good care of it and it'll do the same for you.

 

I should add that owning the Evo exudes a more hip persona than the BMW's oh-look-at-me-I-have-money-and-you-don't aura or I-am-a-grandma-and-I-love-my-Beemer-it's-safe-and-I-like-to-drive-it-extra-safely assurance or I-am-an-overworked-businesswoman-who-loves-her-Beemer-and-her-image-that-she-projects-to-the-world-around-her-that-orbits-her-too delusion. Keeping up with the Joneses is what the Beemer's image or heritage is all about - here in America. Like a pair of young, fashionable jeans, maybe the Evo is something you can't "pull off" anymore. Maybe it's too cool for you.