EVO magazine: Z06 faster than GTR
One last thing. The GTR claims abroad are from a more healthier engine management that runs lower emissions and better gas.
The vette Z06 overseas puts out 512hp and no 505hp. Last but not least, the Z06 suspension and steering has been improved on 08 along with the transmission which now enjoys a short throw shifter. Minor details in performance can ultimately make a difference.
GTR american specs might make less HP due to emissions, they might be even heavier due to crash test standards. For now, I am just mentioning facts not hating, believe me, I like the GTR as much as anyone else.
Have a look at this, it matches the 60-0 braking on the GTR :
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html
Carlos
The vette Z06 overseas puts out 512hp and no 505hp. Last but not least, the Z06 suspension and steering has been improved on 08 along with the transmission which now enjoys a short throw shifter. Minor details in performance can ultimately make a difference.
GTR american specs might make less HP due to emissions, they might be even heavier due to crash test standards. For now, I am just mentioning facts not hating, believe me, I like the GTR as much as anyone else.
Have a look at this, it matches the 60-0 braking on the GTR :
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html
Carlos
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I'm not sure where the poster above you got his stats as I've NEVER seen 11.3 from any reputable sources (if he is talking times from owners....the Z06 has ran 10s stock). I've also never seen a comparison test which said the GTR handled better.
As far as HP, it seems as though both cars are putting out about the same power to the wheels (around 450whp).
Being a true sports car, the Z06 is true to that philosophy....lightweight (about 700lbs lighter), 2-seater and RWD. The GTR has AWD and a small backseat (probably good for baby seats and the like).
Two different cars really. The GTR is more of a GT car (although it keeps up with many sports cars) and the Z06 is a sports car.
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The Z06 is a true traditional Sports car, same formula for decades and it'll never get old. The Skyline is a techno-wonder-mobile. It beats the Z06 on the ring with 600 extra pounds so it HAS to have significantly better handling, maybe better high speed stability and traction, it does actually have downforce front and rear, really adds to that stability.
Also, in referenece to the rear seats, would you do a country side trip with 4 adults and luaggage on a GTR? Can you even fit 2 average size adults (5' 10" 175lbs) in the back? I am not trying to poke in the ye but I think the rear GTR seats are just simbolic and not much practical.
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I'd still take the GTR over the Z06 because I don't see myself ever living in a climate where it rains less. I'd never ever get to play wif my toy when the ground is wet roughly 13 months out of the year.
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This test is what I expected pretty much. Except the 0-100 times for the Z06 which seem very low and I imagine since it takes a while to dial in " How to launch a Z06" well a I get the 8:5 times but 7:9s are average 0-100 Z06 times in most tests if you look around.
Anyway I have seen the test done in Japan where the GT-R posted an 11:7 QTR mile time and that was by Edmonds using a car they got from a brand new GT-R owner. Seems legit in the vid to me, but once again I want to see a US Spec car do it. I hope It does since I'm getting one and that would be impressive for a car that weights as much as the GT-R does.
I think that we have to wait until we get a US spec GT-R vs other cars on the same track, same weather conditions and on THE SAME TIRES!!! On a track I don't think most people know how important times are related to good tires!
GT-R vs Porsche GT3 was a good test in the sense that they both come with similar rated tires on them so other than the fact that they never got the GT3's tires warmed up to temp for optimal lap times which affected the GT3's lap times more so than the GT-R's ( which they stated in the vid ) the GT-R vs GT3 was at least somewhat of a good test/comparision. I'd like to see that test done again in warmer weather.
As far as the lap times on the N-Ring go you have to remember that the Z06 ran their time without days/months of practice laps like Nissan did. They just took the car to Germany, ran a practice lap or two and went for it! Jan Magnesson drove the car and has stated that more than once. An once again the TIRES! The Z06 ran on stock GY run flats which are useless POS!! The Z06 should have come from GM with R comps on it stock! GM made a big mistake on that one! It is well known that with R comps on the Z06 it becomes the track monster that it truly is and beats the Porsche GT3 on a regular basis on most tracks. That is a fact well know by people that own both and there are more than a few of them on the Vette fourm that do! So I highly doubt if the GT-R will beat the Z06 in any sort of a long lap race and especially if the track has a lot of long straights! Law of weight vs HP is quite simple.
What I do think and expect from the GT-R is. It will be a great Daily driver that can hang on a track with a lot of higher priced cars in a short race and thus becomes another perfomance bargin car for the price. Lets not get dillussional here the GT-R is not a all out track car or DRAG CAR platform as it sits stock from the factory. Maybe when we can get some mods on it we will see what it can do or better yet when Nissan releases the ligher weight more powerful V-Spec GT-R! I think then we can consider that the GT3 or GT2 version of the GT-R in the Nissan line up. For now though I view the GT-R more like the 997TT as it sits. A 997tt is a great DD fast car that can set some nice lap time times on a short course, but on a long course it is not a good track car like the GT3 or GT2. The 997tt as many know will get heat soak in a high lap count races and will loose power just like any FI cars do. Look a the Ford GT for an example! A few laps into the race and power drops almost 80hp as they have tested. NA cars are optimal on a race course as most race drivers will tell you. Why do you think properly set up Evo's do well in TA but you hardly ever see them entered in races with high lap numbers...FI = heat soak!
I will keep everyone posted as soon as the GT-R comes in and I can do some driving impressions and comparisons.
Sorry for the long post guys
Anyway I have seen the test done in Japan where the GT-R posted an 11:7 QTR mile time and that was by Edmonds using a car they got from a brand new GT-R owner. Seems legit in the vid to me, but once again I want to see a US Spec car do it. I hope It does since I'm getting one and that would be impressive for a car that weights as much as the GT-R does.
I think that we have to wait until we get a US spec GT-R vs other cars on the same track, same weather conditions and on THE SAME TIRES!!! On a track I don't think most people know how important times are related to good tires!
GT-R vs Porsche GT3 was a good test in the sense that they both come with similar rated tires on them so other than the fact that they never got the GT3's tires warmed up to temp for optimal lap times which affected the GT3's lap times more so than the GT-R's ( which they stated in the vid ) the GT-R vs GT3 was at least somewhat of a good test/comparision. I'd like to see that test done again in warmer weather.
As far as the lap times on the N-Ring go you have to remember that the Z06 ran their time without days/months of practice laps like Nissan did. They just took the car to Germany, ran a practice lap or two and went for it! Jan Magnesson drove the car and has stated that more than once. An once again the TIRES! The Z06 ran on stock GY run flats which are useless POS!! The Z06 should have come from GM with R comps on it stock! GM made a big mistake on that one! It is well known that with R comps on the Z06 it becomes the track monster that it truly is and beats the Porsche GT3 on a regular basis on most tracks. That is a fact well know by people that own both and there are more than a few of them on the Vette fourm that do! So I highly doubt if the GT-R will beat the Z06 in any sort of a long lap race and especially if the track has a lot of long straights! Law of weight vs HP is quite simple.
What I do think and expect from the GT-R is. It will be a great Daily driver that can hang on a track with a lot of higher priced cars in a short race and thus becomes another perfomance bargin car for the price. Lets not get dillussional here the GT-R is not a all out track car or DRAG CAR platform as it sits stock from the factory. Maybe when we can get some mods on it we will see what it can do or better yet when Nissan releases the ligher weight more powerful V-Spec GT-R! I think then we can consider that the GT3 or GT2 version of the GT-R in the Nissan line up. For now though I view the GT-R more like the 997TT as it sits. A 997tt is a great DD fast car that can set some nice lap time times on a short course, but on a long course it is not a good track car like the GT3 or GT2. The 997tt as many know will get heat soak in a high lap count races and will loose power just like any FI cars do. Look a the Ford GT for an example! A few laps into the race and power drops almost 80hp as they have tested. NA cars are optimal on a race course as most race drivers will tell you. Why do you think properly set up Evo's do well in TA but you hardly ever see them entered in races with high lap numbers...FI = heat soak!
I will keep everyone posted as soon as the GT-R comes in and I can do some driving impressions and comparisons.
Sorry for the long post guys
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The Z06 is a true traditional Sports car, same formula for decades and it'll never get old. The Skyline is a techno-wonder-mobile. It beats the Z06 on the ring with 600 extra pounds so it HAS to have significantly better handling, maybe better high speed stability and traction, it does actually have downforce front and rear, really adds to that stability.
I heard the ecu in the GT-R is being made by Nissan to be almost crack proof. Meaning you wont be able to tinker with it,, and more so Nissan will be able to tell if you touched the thing.
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Booo Hoooooooooooooooo.
129k... Haha, that's freaking awesome. How much is the GT2 selling for? Better yet, buy a GT3 and spend the extra 23k on mods... The mark-up is the ONLY thing I have against the GTR, otherwise it is an amazing machine, and will change the future of cars forever.
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Don't beleive everything you read!
I know of three GT-R ECU's that are in this country and whose codes's are being broken into as you read this thread! Trust me on this one.
Not just the mark up but the allocations are basically all gone for the rest of the year, the sad part is that the car isn't even available yet(will be soon/shortly).
At MSRP, the GTR is perhaps the best buy out there closely followed by the Z06. The reality is that due to marketing, production and demand right now the Z06 is perhaps the best choice because:
You can get then anytime you want
Used market is very strong
You can obtain them at just a little over invoice
Performance is comparable to the GTR.
If the prices keep rising on the GTR, this car will ruin its own prestige, at the same price you would be able to get the exotic GT3-RS or the upcoming ZR1.
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