4Trouble

USDM X GSR vs MR is a pretty controversial comparo due to suspension difference and substantial dead weight on the MR, but do any of you have any good and consistant lap time comparo for dual clutch vs manual lap times even for other cars?

eg.

Golf GTI Mk5 manual vs Golf GTI Mk5 DSG
Gallardo manual vs Gallardo E-gear
JDM Evo X GSR manual vs JDM Evo X GSR SST
M3 manual vs M3 DCT
Cayman/Boxster/911 manual vs Cayman/Boxster/911 PDK

etc etc

I checked fastestlaps.com but they didn't differentiate between different transmissions for each cars lap times on different tracks

Usually the difference in weight is only about 20-40lbs for the auto tranny counterparts so weight shouldn't factor in much

fromWRXtoEVO

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Dual clutch wins, I don't want to start controversy or argue with anyone. That is my opinion, that is what I read and that is what I believe.

Carlos

1slowevo

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+1
manual is fun and all, but for the best times on a course, the dual clutch is 10x more consistent and faster than 99.9% of people manually shifting.

I work at a exotic car racing school here in Vegas and we have a PDK Carrera S, e-gear LP-560, and 2 F430's, (along with a couple other dual clutch cars), and they are lightning fast on the road course compared to the manual shifting ones.

cs82685

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I don't care what you actually do there, but I want your job

1slowevo

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lol. I am an instructor there. So, yes I get to drive around those beauties on the tract every weekend. Best 2nd job ever!!

4g63smokinall4s

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so whats the 1st best job

Q15H

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QA Inspector at the Bordello?...

1slowevo

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lol, I meant its my 2nd job (weekend gig).

McLaren F1 2003

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^^^hook it up for the local peeps! haha

kyoo

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yea i think dual clutch is unquestionably faster. if your only intent is to go faster, dual clutch is the way to go. if you're interested in other things, i.e., adding a lot of power, etc. it's not. also, i've not seen one case of consumer dct, when pushed for a relatively long period of time, will not has some form of malfunction or limp mode from overheating.

also, by personal preference, i choose manual. i simply enjoy it more (yes, having driven dct). dct drivers can have their 1 or 2 seconds, what do i care?

1slowevo

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yes, maybe we should get a LV group buy...

Hassan!

If you compare stuck to stuck manual vs auto the manual wins, Why?!!!
bc it is lighter than auto and if u pro u can change gear just as fast as auto gearbox..

4Trouble

I hope I'm not starting a theory war here, and theoretically speaking manual car will be faster if the driver makes absolutely no timing mistake on shifting, and that all the current dual clutch transmissions have about 20-40lbs weight penalty, but it would be like comparing a basketball player to a machine that shoots 95% fixed rate. 100% shooting rate is possible for the human but very unlikely.

I just wanted to see some lap time lists on a various track for manual vs dual clutch on different cars

example:

Track name: _______

Mk4 Golf GTI DSG 1:55.98
Mk4 Golf GTI Manual 1:56.04
Mk4 Golf GTI DSG 1:56.25
Mk4 Golf GTI DSG 1:56.27
Mk4 Golf GTI DSG 1:56.34
Mk4 Golf GTI DSG 1:56.37
Mk4 Golf GTI Manual 1:56.43
Mk4 Golf GTI Manual 1:56.45
Mk4 Golf GTI DSG 1:56.47
Mk4 Golf GTI DSG 1:56.51

Of course, such kind of list will not tell everything, as each run will have temperature variance, weight variance, humidity variance, tire condition, car condition (broken in or not, factory freak or not), input error from the drivers (ie their skill level), and the number of entries (may get people to assume it is more consistant). But as there are more data, it would give people some idea on how consistant DSG can be interms of achieving respectable lap times, and roughly how much better in general than a manual.

kyoo

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in absolute theory, yes, manual should be faster.. but there's no driver who wont get benefits by driving a dct.. it's so much easier, and no matter how much you're use to driving manual, it kind of frees up the mind a little bit to focus on driving

1slowevo

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If you can find a driver that can shift within 50-60ms every time while racing on a track please let me know.