Upgraded 2011 STI Drops a 7:55 at the Ring
OK, let's see...
I'm trying to understand what you're saying, but I'm a little confused by the phrasing. If you're asking whether a transmission that was manual in its design, yet shifted automatically via a mechanical interphase, would be considered an automatic? The answer, of course, is yes. If it shifts automatically, it's an automatic regardless of design. It can be a slushbox auto or a dual-clutch auto. No matter how you slice it, it's an automatic gearbox.
Can it shift automatically? Yes? Then, it's an automatic. No? Then, it's a manual.
How is it not the same when both shift automatically? C'mon. 
As mentioned, autos and manual are mechanically different.
Consider it this way, if you had a machine in the cabin that stepped on the clutch and pushed the gear shift lever every time you push a button, would this now be an automatic transmission?
Consider it this way, if you had a machine in the cabin that stepped on the clutch and pushed the gear shift lever every time you push a button, would this now be an automatic transmission?
Or how about if i had an automatic transmission but I had to tell the computer when to shift? Is it suddenly a manual transmission?
A manual transmission that shifts automatically is not at all the same as an automatic transmission you shift manually. It's an important distinction worth maintaining the acronym over.
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And one other thing, Mitsubishi has an infinity better understanding than anyone on this forum on what is going to earn them money. Selling a small number of cars to a niche does not make you money. If it did, they wouldn't have made the changes they did from the IX to the X, simple as that.
You cannot compare the X sales to the IX sales considering the economy and you certainly cannot compare them based on the general feelings you get when reading these forums. bah, out of time. Way off topic anyway.
You cannot compare the X sales to the IX sales considering the economy and you certainly cannot compare them based on the general feelings you get when reading these forums. bah, out of time. Way off topic anyway.
OK, let's see...
I'm trying to understand what you're saying, but I'm a little confused by the phrasing. If you're asking whether a transmission that was manual in its design, yet shifted automatically via a mechanical interphase, would be considered an automatic? The answer, of course, is yes. If it shifts automatically, it's an automatic regardless of design. It can be a slushbox auto or a dual-clutch auto. No matter how you slice it, it's an automatic gearbox.
Can it shift automatically? Yes? Then, it's an automatic. No? Then, it's a manual.
How is it not the same when both shift automatically? C'mon.
I'm trying to understand what you're saying, but I'm a little confused by the phrasing. If you're asking whether a transmission that was manual in its design, yet shifted automatically via a mechanical interphase, would be considered an automatic? The answer, of course, is yes. If it shifts automatically, it's an automatic regardless of design. It can be a slushbox auto or a dual-clutch auto. No matter how you slice it, it's an automatic gearbox.
Can it shift automatically? Yes? Then, it's an automatic. No? Then, it's a manual.
How is it not the same when both shift automatically? C'mon.
they are "automatic transmissions" not "automatic" "transmissions"
I have no idea really, just avoiding work
Selling a small number of cars to a niche does not make you money.
You cannot compare the X sales to the IX sales considering the economy and you certainly cannot compare them based on the general feelings you get when reading these forums. bah, out of time. Way off topic anyway.
Subaru can use this as a great marketing tool for the new STI sedan. Meanwhile, 
is marketing an MR with GSR seats, limiting it to 300, throwing some SE badges on it and sends it out the door...
is marketing an MR with GSR seats, limiting it to 300, throwing some SE badges on it and sends it out the door...
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It's not an urban legend.
Of course. The gobs of extra power via a revised powerplant and the suspension tuning have nothing to do with a more sporting direction. This is starting to get silly.
I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Evo buyers aren't asking for the auto,
Mitsu isn't selling enough to avoid skipping a whole model year and heavily discounting the remaining stock. Where is the demand?
Really, who cares?
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Don't you get it?! Based on the small % of threads I read on this forum and the local mitsubishi deanship i drive past, I know for a fact Mitsubishi doesn't know what they're doing!?
They could sell more Evo's if they only made the RS model!!! It's that simple!! My very shallow understanding the car industry trumps any hard market research mitsubishi does and the lack of sales isn't that it's a niche car in one of the worst economies ever, it's the fact that they'd sell more Evo's if they removed the navigation and put in ridge motor mounts!!!!
annnyyywayyyyy. I kinda want an Evo X lol.
They could sell more Evo's if they only made the RS model!!! It's that simple!! My very shallow understanding the car industry trumps any hard market research mitsubishi does and the lack of sales isn't that it's a niche car in one of the worst economies ever, it's the fact that they'd sell more Evo's if they removed the navigation and put in ridge motor mounts!!!!
annnyyywayyyyy. I kinda want an Evo X lol.
Sorry, Mike, that's not how the concept is defined. Regardless, what's the big deal about having an automatic transmission or a transmission that shifts automatically? Call it whatever you wish; it's the same thing. Is it such a shame that X-MR owners have to rationalize their purchase by constantly insisting on a use of an acronym? It's almost self-defeating when semantics take precedent.
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Don't you get it?! Based on the small % of threads I read on this forum and the local mitsubishi deanship i drive past, I know for a fact Mitsubishi doesn't know what they're doing!?
They could sell more Evo's if they only made the RS model!!! It's that simple!! My very shallow understanding the car industry trumps any hard market research mitsubishi does and the lack of sales isn't that it's a niche car in one of the worst economies ever, it's the fact that they'd sell more Evo's if they removed the navigation and put in ridge motor mounts!!!!
annnyyywayyyyy. I kinda want an Evo X lol.
They could sell more Evo's if they only made the RS model!!! It's that simple!! My very shallow understanding the car industry trumps any hard market research mitsubishi does and the lack of sales isn't that it's a niche car in one of the worst economies ever, it's the fact that they'd sell more Evo's if they removed the navigation and put in ridge motor mounts!!!!
annnyyywayyyyy. I kinda want an Evo X lol.
I am curious. If there were such a thing as clutch pedal by wire and shifting by wire, would those then be automatics too?
I think the reason people get worked up about the SST is that it creates a tuning glass ceiling. The technology may very well be here to stay but for the moment, to a great many people, it doesn't 'seem' like an improvement.
Even the R35's version, which is far more robust than the X's is showing signs of fail http://www.themotorreport.com.au/446...-r-has-a-fault
Give me a version that is clearly 'better' than a manual and I will be the first to sing its praises.
Even the R35's version, which is far more robust than the X's is showing signs of fail http://www.themotorreport.com.au/446...-r-has-a-fault
Give me a version that is clearly 'better' than a manual and I will be the first to sing its praises.
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Here's what a perspective Evo owner sees upon entering the buyer's arena:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/8390810-post22.html
It was written by a non-traditional (at least as it pertains the USDM) Evolution buyer, a middle-aged car guy like myself who isn't influenced by street cred and the acknowledgment of his peers. That partially explains his dismay when faced with a prospect of a used IX costing as a much as a new X. Let's not lose the point. Clearly, there's demand for Evolutions, just not Evo Xs.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/8390810-post22.html
It was written by a non-traditional (at least as it pertains the USDM) Evolution buyer, a middle-aged car guy like myself who isn't influenced by street cred and the acknowledgment of his peers. That partially explains his dismay when faced with a prospect of a used IX costing as a much as a new X. Let's not lose the point. Clearly, there's demand for Evolutions, just not Evo Xs.
Too bad he unsubscribed. The post he referenced the guy actually seems extremely happy with his X. I have a X and I know I am.
Initially it doesnt have the "Go kart" feel of the 8/9 but you do get a better interior than the 8's and 9's and increased safety ratings which makes it a little heavier. People complain about low quality interior and poor safety rating, then they complain about weight with a nice interior and increased safety. Its a double edged sword.