But your reading comprehension is not good.

You are using the tables from the Super Touring Rules not the TT rules.

Appendix B —“Adjusted” Weight/Power Ratio Calculation for TTA-TTF
All TTA-TTF cars are subject to a limit on their “Adjusted” Weight/Power ratio, where exceeding that limit would
bump the car into a higher TT class or into the TTS/TTU classing system.
Note: The weight tables for TTA-TTF listed here are different than for TTS/TTU.
The “Adjusted” Weight/Power ratio for each vehicle can be calculated based on a simple competition weight to peak
chassis dynamometer horsepower ratio (wt/hp), followed by the adjustment of the resulting ratio by adding to or
subtracting from it, based on the list of “Modification Factors” below. Competition weight is defined as the
minimum weight of the vehicle, with driver, any time that it competes in a timed session.
Note: Peak chassis dynamometer horsepower and dynamometer testing procedures are defined in Section 6.5.
(AWD cars utilizing a Mustang or Dyno Dynamics Dyno for testing must multiply the hp result by 1.1)
The “Modification Factor” listed after each item below is added or subtracted from the actual measured wt/hp ratio
to determine the “Adjusted” Weight/Power ratio that determines vehicle legality in each TTA-TTF class.
_____ Base Wt/HP Ratio (_____________ lbs competition weight / _____________ peak chassis horsepower)
_____ Body Type: 4-door Sedan or 5-door Wagon = +0.4
_____ Transmission: Dog-ring/straight-cut gears (non-synchromesh), sequential/paddle shift/semi-automatic = -0.2
Note: There is no assessment for an automatic transmission utilizing a torque converter.
_____ Drivetrain: AWD = -0.5
FWD = +1.0
_____ Tires: Non-DOT approved tires = -0.75 (Note: VRL and Grand-Am Continentals exempt)
Size 10.5” (267mm) to 9.6” (244mm) non-DOT approved = +0.4
Size 9.5” (241mm) or smaller non-DOT approved = +0.8
Size 275 mm to 250 mm (DOT approved) = +0.4
Size 245 mm or smaller (DOT approved) = +0.8
Note: The tire modification factors are additive, if two or more are applicable.
Note: The tire modification factors are applied based on the widest tire on the car.
_____ Competition Weight:
Equal to or less than:
3200 lbs -0.05 2750 lbs -0.50 2300 lbs -0.95 1850 lbs -1.40
3150 lbs -0.10 2700 lbs -0.55 2250 lbs -1.00 1800 lbs -1.45
3100 lbs -0.15 2650 lbs -0.60 2200 lbs -1.05 1750 lbs -1.50
3050 lbs -0.20 2600 lbs -0.65 2150 lbs -1.10 1700 lbs -1.55
3000 lbs -0.25 2550 lbs -0.70 2100 lbs -1.15 1650 lbs -1.60
2950 lbs -0.30 2500 lbs -0.75 2050 lbs -1.20 1600 lbs -1.65
2900 lbs -0.35 2450 lbs -0.80 2000 lbs -1.25 1550 lbs -1.70
2850 lbs -0.40 2400 lbs -0.85 1950 lbs -1.30 1500 lbs -1.75
2800 lbs -0.45 2350 lbs -0.90 1900 lbs -1.35 1450 lbs -1.80
Equal to or greater than:
3300 lbs +0.05 3550 lbs +0.35 3800 lbs +0.65 4050 lbs +0.90
3350 lbs +0.10 3600 lbs +0.40 3850 lbs +0.70 4100 lbs +0.95
3400 lbs +0.15 3650 lbs +0.45 3900 lbs +0.75 4150 lbs +1.00
3450 lbs +0.20 3700 lbs +0.55 3950 lbs +0.80 4200 lbs +1.05
3500 lbs +0.30 3750 lbs +0.60 4000 lbs +0.85 4250 lbs +1.10
Note: If between 3201 lbs and 3299 lbs, there is no modification factor.
Note: All vehicle weights will be measured to the tenth of a pound (xxxx.x), then rounded
off to the nearest pound for all calculations. Any weight ending in “.5” (xxxx.5x) will be
rounded up or down to the benefit of the competitor.
_____ “ADJUSTED” WEIGHT/POWER RATIO
TTA 8.70:1 minimum TTD 14.25:1 minimum
TTB 10.25:1 minimum TTE 16.50:1 minimum
TTC 12.00:1 minimum TTF 19.50:1 minimum
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Page 53 of the rules.

I have been running TT and PT for 5 years.

 

Touche. What I get for doing everything late night and off a cell phone at the track.

That's when dynoed. And what Greg uses to calculate re-classing.

W/O Dyno:
2775lbs / 200 bhp = 13.88
Under 2850 greater than 2750 = -0.45
Under 245 tires = +0.8
14.23

14.25:1 is D 16.50:1 is E. Can't be under 14.25.

If you dyno re-class; yeah, E is likely.

What are we arguing about here? Back in my office. Time to catch back up.

 

Yes, TT and w2w since 2008.

 

Great to see.

There was a BRZ running BS at Grattan this weekend. Not the fastest thing I've seen.

 

I instructed a student with a BRZ at Autobahn South back in July and was rather impressed with its capabilities actually. Like with just about any car, a lot depends on the driver and I had a talented student so was very clear just how well the car handles.

 

Very much so left to driver.

I still hold by that I do not see it being car with soul. Anything can be made a racecar; that just depends on money.

 

Again, not true. Even a strictly points car still has to be compliant on a chassis dyno at all times during competition.

My TT/PT car is strictly a points car but at Nationals 2011 it was put on the dyno to verify to it was compliant for the class. They used the peak dyno reading not the published bhp verify compliance as stated in the rules. The published bhp means nothing once you start modifying the car (strictly legal points modifications like exhaust, intake, etc.) anyway.

So, a completely stock BRZ would have a final competition class of TTE (-7 for tires) and based off the published dynojet numbers (under 170 rwhp) for a stock BRZ it would also be compliant for TTE without doing a dyno reclass. Clearly, if someone was going to try that they would need to have the car dynoed to verify that it doesn't make fore than 170 rwhp otherwise they could be DQed.

So the point is, compare the BRZ and FRS to other TTE cars and it will be a pretty competitive car bone stock.

 

Yes, when a dyno is available the peak has to be under. (And I'd have that re-class in hand anyway here).

TTE is Miata and Civic land. And I'd put money on those cars well before this one.

 

^ again a lot to do with the driver. I've seen the Pakistan Express Honda car being rented out going 10 to 15 seconds slower than when the Brian drives it. (Grattan this year was 1 example because IIRC, it was 10 seconds slower than Brian's E record) I suspect the same driver (Brian in this case) in a BRZ vs. a TTE Miata would be interesting to see because I see the BRZ having no problem keeping up with a TTE Miata and possibly being faster! Brian knows his Honda very well so he does have a slight advantage there IMHO. Seat time does of course factor in as well as driver ability.

 

Grattan this year. British guy was a nice guy. Just not fast. Was a good fight with Missy in PTF though.

I'd like to see the top 3 SM guys try this car. See how close it is to the Miata.

 

you're prolly thinking of regular integra's, or regular integra's with type r badges on them... real type r's are quite rare

 

3,822 total were sold in the USDM.

 

3800 over the span of 4 years?

Yeah...that's not a lot.

 

Not here they're not. They will become rare if Honda fanboys keep writing them off like they are.


We were probably importing that many a month in the early 2000's

 

I guess NZ is special, but they're pretty rare in the rest of the world

edit:
i'm calling BS on this, but i can't find any production numbers for NZ so i can't prove anything... I think the fact that i can find production for USDM, EDM, AUDM, but nothing on NZDM says something...