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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 09:15 PM
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Illogical reasoning for ditching Evo for FT86

So, I am fond of Scion FR-S after test driving it a couple times. I have been thinking to possibly get it. No sin in it.

So, I have been on FT86 forum and notice that plenty of Evo owners (8,9,10) ditching their cars to get an FT86. If they want to move on, hey that's their money.

However, what doesn't make sense is a lot of them uses this reasoning: "I lowered my Evo and also modified the engine, now the car drives rough and is out of balance. Now it is not comfortable for commuting."

And the solution is to get an FT86? What's wrong with getting the car back to OEM specs? Stock Evo 8 and 9 are ones of the most balanced and stellar steering feel ever seen N.A. land sort of Lotus Elise, Exige and Porsche Cayman (and I had a 2005 997 Carrera S).

Man up and own the mistake: they didn't "modify" their cars "correctly."

Please kindly educate me for what I am missing?

Sad thing is, they will probably "modify" their FT to oblivion too.

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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 04:32 AM
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Can't fix stupid.

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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 07:28 AM
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interesting view..

although i do like the concept of the ft86..it's way too underpowered, especially coming from evo's potential. granted someone did turbo the brz to 500 hp but i'm sure everything else will need to be upgraded which then hits the cost and commuter comfort issue
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 07:48 AM
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Can't fix stupid.

Yup.

I could never see myself trading the Evo for a scion. Especially one that is so slow, why not get an s2000 if you want to fix your "balance" fix. It would be cheaper, faster and as of right now MUCH more mod friendly.
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Pr0t0type-X
granted someone did turbo the brz to 500 hp but i'm sure everything else will need to be upgraded which then hits the cost and commuter comfort issue
On this note as well, I had also heard that they were breaking into the 400's as well but from what I understand its a PITA because there is virtually no room under the hood for a turbo kit. Kinda makes you wonder the cost of getting that done.
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 09:33 AM
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Speed isn't everything to everybody and a car doesn't have to be fast to be fun. They could be making the switch for the weight, handling, and RWD layout. They could be switching to save money (gas, insurance, smaller loan). They could just be switching out of boredom (the kind of people who want a new car every 2 years).
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 09:35 AM
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They could just be switching out of boredom (the kind of people who want a new car every 2 years).
Noize.
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 09:37 AM
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That's exactly who I was thinking of
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 05:55 PM
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I understand if it it is "boredom." I just don't understand the reason I stated above.

BTW, for those bored people, FR-S lease is about the same as Evo. BRZ is much more

January 2013:

Mitsu Financial:

- GSR 24 months 12k/year: 73% residual 0.00008 money factor
- MR 24 months 12k/year: 71% residual 0.00008 money factor

Toyota Financial:
-FR-S: 36 months 12k/year: 66% residual 0.0018 money factor

Chase:
- BRZ Limited: 36 months 12k/year: 56% residual 0.00235 money factor
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 06:02 PM
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I am a fan of the BRZ, but ditching an EVO for one is a stretch. Maybe if it had the STI motor and was still RWD I would give it more thought.
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 08:21 PM
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If the frs/brz is ever offered in a turbo model ill probably preorder one. Til then.. Just illogical.. Way too slow for me.
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Old Jan 25, 2013 | 02:03 AM
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I love awd power too much to let mine go for one of these. Not a fan personally.
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Old Jan 25, 2013 | 04:23 AM
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I experimented with an 06 Evo, trying to keep the stock drivability. It's possible to make it work, but it'll never be a camry. In order to make it work right, I used bilstein's with work springs, HKS GTII, HFC and Greddy Evo2, as core components. I upgraded fuel, kept stock cams, did the lower pipe, but only added silicone couplers to the upper pipe plus an AMS intercooler.

It was a very comfortable car to drive, but it just didn't compare to an Evo X which is what I would do if I wanted a commuter Evo.

FT86 is nice, but they'll get tired of being slow.

Originally Posted by fly2low
So, I am fond of Scion FR-S after test driving it a couple times. I have been thinking to possibly get it. No sin in it.

So, I have been on FT86 forum and notice that plenty of Evo owners (8,9,10) ditching their cars to get an FT86. If they want to move on, hey that's their money.

However, what doesn't make sense is a lot of them uses this reasoning: "I lowered my Evo and also modified the engine, now the car drives rough and is out of balance. Now it is not comfortable for commuting."

And the solution is to get an FT86? What's wrong with getting the car back to OEM specs? Stock Evo 8 and 9 are ones of the most balanced and stellar steering feel ever seen N.A. land sort of Lotus Elise, Exige and Porsche Cayman (and I had a 2005 997 Carrera S).

Man up and own the mistake: they didn't "modify" their cars "correctly."

Please kindly educate me for what I am missing?

Sad thing is, they will probably "modify" their FT to oblivion too.
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Old Jan 27, 2013 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by fly2low
So, I am fond of Scion FR-S after test driving it a couple times. I have been thinking to possibly get it. No sin in it.

So, I have been on FT86 forum and notice that plenty of Evo owners (8,9,10) ditching their cars to get an FT86. If they want to move on, hey that's their money.

However, what doesn't make sense is a lot of them uses this reasoning: "I lowered my Evo and also modified the engine, now the car drives rough and is out of balance. Now it is not comfortable for commuting."

And the solution is to get an FT86? What's wrong with getting the car back to OEM specs? Stock Evo 8 and 9 are ones of the most balanced and stellar steering feel ever seen N.A. land sort of Lotus Elise, Exige and Porsche Cayman (and I had a 2005 997 Carrera S).

Man up and own the mistake: they didn't "modify" their cars "correctly."

Please kindly educate me for what I am missing?

Sad thing is, they will probably "modify" their FT to oblivion too.

I don't really get the point to your thread... People are looking for something new to drive. They're considering an FT86 b/c they're bored, just like you are.

It's actually pretty egotistical to even create this thread. As if you know their situation/preferences better than they do That's like saying "his SCCA car isn't pleasant to drive to work anymore, he must have modded it wrong. Now he's looking for something new and different, he should just man up and revert the Evo back to stock"

People with stock Evo's get bored and mod them. Then they get bored with their modded evos, so you think they should revert them back to stock and they'll be entertained again? Good call Plus half the fun doing the actual modifications.
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Old Jan 27, 2013 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Smike
Can't fix stupid.

Duuudddeee, give it a break. You've pretty much crossed the line into troll territory.

I'll be honest, I can understand that you don't like the car, we all got that a long time ago. But considering how you literally post in EVERY SINGLE BRZ/FRS thread, you're coming off as desperate. It's as if you're trying justify you V6 mustang purchase by berating the FRS/BRZ, and it's starting to get sad. The automotive industry LOVES THIS CAR. It has a BETTER RECEPTION than your V6 mustang. Geettttttt ovvvvveeeerrrrr iiiittttt. I was one of the people who stuck up for your purchase (go look it up), so it hurts me to see you so personally butt sore over this car. Pump the brakes. Take a breather. /rant
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