Honda's Not Doing So Hot Right Now
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Honda's Not Doing So Hot Right Now
Came across this interesting article I thought I share https://jalopnik.com/hondas-not-doin...now-1832260124
They're also having oil dilution issue's in the 1.5L DI turbo motors. Getting lots of fuel in the crankcase, and they can't figure out. Current TSB is change the oil and an ECU reflash that doesn't work.
Interesting....Wonder if Honda runs their AFR just as rich as was in my stock Evo IX? Remember my oil looked black after 3K and smelled like fuel. White bumper covered in soot.
Also wondering if they are running the fuel mileage 0W oils. I know that would promote blow by.
Also wondering if they are running the fuel mileage 0W oils. I know that would promote blow by.
The oil level actually grows, that's how bad it is. Oil weight might maybe having something to with oil consumption/oil getting past the rings. But it has nothing to do with fuel in the oil.
https://www.lubricants.total.com/fue...es-and-effects
"What happens when the fuel is not fully burned off in the combustion chamber? The answer to this question is also the cause of certain breakdowns, i.e. that the fuel tends to flow towards the crankcase. In fact, it flows down through the piston skirt towards the crankcase, where it mixes with the engine oil."
DI kinda reminds me of a dog peeing on the patio porch.....exaggerated of course..... On cold start ups those injectors hit the cool piston porch at point blank range. Evidence seems to show it migrates past rings and piston walls ending in the crank case.
Oil dilution has to exacerbate the problem as oil viscosity decreases with more dilution. Oil is still an important part in this. I know less viscosity will
only promote the problem.
3:24 starts the discussion.
"What happens when the fuel is not fully burned off in the combustion chamber? The answer to this question is also the cause of certain breakdowns, i.e. that the fuel tends to flow towards the crankcase. In fact, it flows down through the piston skirt towards the crankcase, where it mixes with the engine oil."
DI kinda reminds me of a dog peeing on the patio porch.....exaggerated of course..... On cold start ups those injectors hit the cool piston porch at point blank range. Evidence seems to show it migrates past rings and piston walls ending in the crank case.
only promote the problem.
Last edited by whtrice; Feb 2, 2019 at 11:35 AM.
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"What happens when the fuel is not fully burned off in the combustion chamber? The answer to this question is also the cause of certain breakdowns, i.e. that the fuel tends to flow towards the crankcase. In fact, it flows down through the piston skirt towards the crankcase, where it mixes with the engine oil."
DI kinda reminds me of a dog peeing on the patio porch.....exaggerated of course..... On cold start ups those injectors hit the cool piston porch at point blank range. Evidence seems to show it migrates past rings and piston walls ending in the crank case.
"What happens when the fuel is not fully burned off in the combustion chamber? The answer to this question is also the cause of certain breakdowns, i.e. that the fuel tends to flow towards the crankcase. In fact, it flows down through the piston skirt towards the crankcase, where it mixes with the engine oil."
DI kinda reminds me of a dog peeing on the patio porch.....exaggerated of course..... On cold start ups those injectors hit the cool piston porch at point blank range. Evidence seems to show it migrates past rings and piston walls ending in the crank case.
Mid 11's with DI is lean? Lol, my MK7 Golf ran stoich (14.7 AFR) at 12psi @ WOT when stock.
Now with E35 and a tune, I run it at 12.50 AFR, 18psi @ WOT
Stock:
https://datazap.me/u/razorlab/alltra...1-18&solo=4-18
Tuned on E35:
https://datazap.me/u/razorlab/alltra...8&zoom=226-428
Now with E35 and a tune, I run it at 12.50 AFR, 18psi @ WOT
Stock:
https://datazap.me/u/razorlab/alltra...1-18&solo=4-18
Tuned on E35:
https://datazap.me/u/razorlab/alltra...8&zoom=226-428
Mid 11's with DI is lean? Lol, my MK7 Golf ran stoich (14.7 AFR) at 12psi @ WOT when stock.
Now with E35 and a tune, I run it at 12.50 AFR, 18psi @ WOT
Stock:
https://datazap.me/u/razorlab/alltrackjb491oct?log=2&data=1-4-11-18&solo=4-18
Tuned on E35:
https://datazap.me/u/razorlab/alltracke35ecudsgtunewot?log=1&data=1-4-9-18&solo=9-18&zoom=226-428
Now with E35 and a tune, I run it at 12.50 AFR, 18psi @ WOT
Stock:
https://datazap.me/u/razorlab/alltrackjb491oct?log=2&data=1-4-11-18&solo=4-18
Tuned on E35:
https://datazap.me/u/razorlab/alltracke35ecudsgtunewot?log=1&data=1-4-9-18&solo=9-18&zoom=226-428
My only point was that he “wondered if Honda runs the Si as rich as my stock IX?” My answer would be no since it’s a DI car, even though it runs richer than most. Probably part of the reason the Si makes 55whp and 75wtq from a remap only. Impressive to me from a tiny 1.5 liter car.
Interesting....Wonder if Honda runs their AFR just as rich as was in my stock Evo IX? Remember my oil looked black after 3K and smelled like fuel. White bumper covered in soot.
Also wondering if they are running the fuel mileage 0W oils. I know that would promote blow by.
Also wondering if they are running the fuel mileage 0W oils. I know that would promote blow by.
Originally Posted by whtrice
https://www.lubricants.total.com/fue...es-and-effects
"What happens when the fuel is not fully burned off in the combustion chamber? The answer to this question is also the cause of certain breakdowns, i.e. that the fuel tends to flow towards the crankcase. In fact, it flows down through the piston skirt towards the crankcase, where it mixes with the engine oil."
DI kinda reminds me of a dog peeing on the patio porch.....exaggerated of course..... On cold start ups those injectors hit the cool piston porch at point blank range. Evidence seems to show it migrates past rings and piston walls ending in the crank case.Oil dilution has to exacerbate the problem as oil viscosity decreases with more dilution. Oil is still an important part in this. I know less viscosity will
only promote the problem.
3:24 starts the discussion.
"What happens when the fuel is not fully burned off in the combustion chamber? The answer to this question is also the cause of certain breakdowns, i.e. that the fuel tends to flow towards the crankcase. In fact, it flows down through the piston skirt towards the crankcase, where it mixes with the engine oil."
DI kinda reminds me of a dog peeing on the patio porch.....exaggerated of course..... On cold start ups those injectors hit the cool piston porch at point blank range. Evidence seems to show it migrates past rings and piston walls ending in the crank case.Oil dilution has to exacerbate the problem as oil viscosity decreases with more dilution. Oil is still an important part in this. I know less viscosity will
only promote the problem.
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And just like what is considered more "regular" oil weights, the same percentage's of dilution are still considered acceptable (<2.5% for gas engines). The problem Honda is having goes beyond that though, as oil volume literally grows so obviously that's way more than 2.5% dilution LOL.
Its probably a combination of fueling strategy that needs to be redone, and the oil not getting up to temp to boil the fuel out of it on shorter trips, and colder climates. Could also be a ring package that isn't working as intended in the real world. Last time I checked on it, Honda hasn't released a solution. I've been following it closely because my sister has a '16 civic with the L15t.