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Old Jul 10, 2004 | 08:24 PM
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Yeah, NO. Theres a lot more differences that just the power supply.
the MAIN difference is in the power supply...there is a belt that connects from the supercharger directly to the engine. it gets its power the same way that the water pump or alternator does. a turbocharger gets its power from the exhaust stream. the exhaust runs through a turbine, which in turn spins the compressor.
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Old Jul 10, 2004 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RTS EVO VIII
the MAIN difference is in the power supply...there is a belt that connects from the supercharger directly to the engine. it gets its power the same way that the water pump or alternator does. a turbocharger gets its power from the exhaust stream. the exhaust runs through a turbine, which in turn spins the compressor.

I don't think there is a single person on this board that doesn't know that already.
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Old Jul 10, 2004 | 09:54 PM
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I love the NSX but honda sucks.

I guess they don't know how to make HP with "honda quality" and the competition is too fierce since the handling is up a new level.

Such cars include New Z06, GT-3, elise, Evo MR, STi spec C, Viper, and the upcoming GT-R. Just to name a few compeditors that is capable of destroying honda's confidence.

I guess they lost their pride that thier company is capable of making a super car.

Go integra type r and S2200
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Old Jul 10, 2004 | 11:22 PM
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Both the SC options for the F20C (Comptech and Vortech) are screw type blowers - boost is proportional to speed. In other words, it makes the engine more peaky.

If you really want low end power from an F20C, you need a turbo - and a small one at that. A sequential setup would be ideal, but difficult.
When is the last time that Honda produced a turbo charged car from the factory? I don't know much Honda history, but I do know that they make wonderful normally aspirated motors. The S2000 has such a great chassis that I think it could do well with more hp. A 3 liter motor with 320 hp, along with the proper suspension, braking and tire choices, would be a monster. If honda wanted to make a complete monster of a roadster, this is probably how they'd do it. I'd prefer them to use Lotus less is more route though. Imagine an S2000 with the weight shaved to 2400 pounds or below. The current motor would be more than enough in that case. Low displacement motors really shine with low weight. This is why the lotus with 190 hp does the quarter mile in 13.2 while the s2000 does it in 14.
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Old Jul 12, 2004 | 01:03 PM
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i believe that honda DID make a turbo engine at some point. i used to be up on the history but i've forgotten.
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Old Jul 12, 2004 | 01:28 PM
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i believe that honda DID make a turbo engine at some point. i used to be up on the history but i've forgotten.
They make turbo jetski engines, does that count?
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
Both the SC options for the F20C (Comptech and Vortech) are screw type blowers - boost is proportional to speed. In other words, it makes the engine more peaky.

If you really want low end power from an F20C, you need a turbo - and a small one at that. A sequential setup would be ideal, but difficult
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Comptech and Vortec are centrifigal type blowers not screw type. And boost is proportional to rpm not speed. But yes that does make them peaky.

Originally Posted by Tanner_Hall
i believe that honda DID make a turbo engine at some point. i used to be up on the history but i've forgotten.
Honda made alot of turbo charged engines, but they were only for their F1 and Indy cars.
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Tanner_Hall
i believe that honda DID make a turbo engine at some point. i used to be up on the history but i've forgotten.
Honda has never had a production car with a turbo. Lots of other products (racing motors, jet skis, etc) had/have them.
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Yargk
When is the last time that Honda produced a turbo charged car from the factory? I don't know much Honda history, but I do know that they make wonderful normally aspirated motors. The S2000 has such a great chassis that I think it could do well with more hp. A 3 liter motor with 320 hp, along with the proper suspension, braking and tire choices, would be a monster. If honda wanted to make a complete monster of a roadster, this is probably how they'd do it. I'd prefer them to use Lotus less is more route though. Imagine an S2000 with the weight shaved to 2400 pounds or below. The current motor would be more than enough in that case. Low displacement motors really shine with low weight. This is why the lotus with 190 hp does the quarter mile in 13.2 while the s2000 does it in 14.
The problem with a 3 liter motor is that the extra weight would front-heavy the car. Not that adding a turbo won't, just that as it stands the car is near perfectly balanced. I don't see Honda escalating the displacement substantially. It's just not the way they do things, right or wrong.

There's an S2000 owner in SoCal that has gutted his car for track duty and is around 2200 lbs. The car is simply insane (8.5 lbs/hp vs 12.0 for stock) in all regards - acceleration, handling, and braking.
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 3K
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Comptech and Vortec are centrifigal type blowers not screw type. And boost is proportional to rpm not speed. But yes that does make them peaky.
By speed, I meant engine speed. Guess I should have clarified that. And you're right, they're centrifugal type superchargers.
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