What stability control are you referring to?

 

I wouldn't know exactly - my friend said that it had stability control which may have been a misuse of the term by a salesman or someone else. What I do know is the car doesn't push like any AWD car I had driven before, going past the edge it just slips laterally a little rather than plowing. Maybe the combination of the electronic ACD and front helical torque-sensing LSD is what he was referring to.

 

Awesomest car in the world and you can't even spell McLaren right

Yeah, that GTR has been causing quite a stir for a while now and I can't believe you pass him in an MR, thats sweet. I just looked at the official Ultima site and I have to have one of those cars. Probly wouldn't build it myself but I don't even care, I just wanna drive the thing.

 

any of you going to LRP with COMSCC this Friday?

 

While not explicitly marketed as such the ACD and LS front certainly result in control and stability at the limit compared to the prior diffs - 12/6 Autoweek explains it better p. 18. The really amazing thing is the improved traction with less damping force in the Bilstein shocks - can't vouch for the better ride over the non-MR but the traction is phenominal.


I was looking for an excuse like it is the Irish in me that added the "a" to Mc but I guess that would be Scottish. Oh well I guess it was the

 

Sorry, this is a little offtopic, but do they let anybody run on the track? Like can you just showup, pay, and then run on the track? How's it work?

I've been dying to take my Evo out on those types of tracks

 

awesome pics

 

Most novice groups sell out fast so probably not arrive and drive but you can register in advance and go. There will be at least 30 minutes in a classroom before you go on track and you will have an instructor with you. Other than that you need:

Valid driver's license.
Safe and maintained vehicle.
A good head on your shoulders.

Every track has at least two or three clubs that use them for performance driving education. Just go understanding for a novice it is education not an open run on the track. Even the advanced "open" track times are in a controlled "noncompetitive" manner. Yes the advanced peeps may appear to compete on the outside but it is by no means wheel to wheel racing - it is under a lot of rules - but you take your car home no worse for wear 99.9999% of the time.

Beyond normal maintenance more than 50% left on tires and brakes and fresh brake fluid. Believe it or not novices are harder on tires and brakes than those with experience.

In the NY area there are a ton of tracks within 5 hours and the following have track days:

NASA (NE & VA) http://www.nasanortheast.org/ & http://www.nasaracing.net/
PDA http://www.pdadrivingschool.com/
BMW http://www.njbmwcca.org/
SCDA http://www.scda1.com/

and probably some others.

 

Good point. "Stability Control" is misnomer in the case of the Evo. But on the track, in my book it falls very much in the same category as a stability control system such as Porsche's PSM.

 

It is very different. Stability control systems use independent wheel braking and independent throttle control to correct understeer and oversteer, the are safety based systems. ACD and Limited slip differentials are not designed to stop you from understeering or oversteering the are there to delay the onset of slides, to balance the car so it preforms better. Stability control systems are electronic nannies . ACD+LSD+good driver= no nanny needed OR wanted

Stability control does have it's place and that is with inexperienced drivers mainly on the road...

My 2 cents

 

When I go out to play, the first thing I do in my G35 Coupe is disable the DCS (Dynamic Control System, aka, stabilty control). I swear it tries to anticipate events and sometimes starts cutting back before the car starts to even slip. This is in stark contrast to the C5 Corvette which I've autocrossed with stability control set to "competition mode" and it allowed prudent slipping all over the course.

I'm glad we don't have stability control on the EVO: if it was a cheap implementation ( ) it would probably be more annoying than helpful and a more sophisticated system would add too much cost.

 

I regret using such a loaded term and certinly did not mean the grandpa stability control like a Mercedes or something.

Probably could come up with 25 definitions of "stability control" suffice it to say I meant that MR ACD/Fr LSD setup adds stability at the edge that a Center LSD/Fr OD would not have. And yes that stability is related to the driver's direct ability to control the slip angle. You could induce under or over steer as desired but in those my first sessions in the MR the car behaved very neutrally when desired all the way to the edge on street tires, no less. I disappointedly have no doubt that I could drive the stock MR faster at LRP than a stock '04 STi (which mine hasn't been for a long time).

 

Ive driven in an Ultima GTR (in the UK, with the world record setting driver) and i'm building one myself. The car weighs 2,300 lbs and every one has a minimum of 350 whp (world record trim 640 bhp. There is no way in hell an EVO MR can pull on a GTR unless the driver is not on the gas, or drives like my dad. Impossible. good story though.....

 

nevermind

 

It was covered already and it was done.

On a short track like LRP I don't care how much car you have if you brake on the downhill unnesecarily - you are going to get rolled. The difference between a UGTR and an MR is not enough to make up a 10 mph difference in exit speed during the front straight and I had at least 20 mph on him. He passed me back a couple laps later but it took him a lot more work to do so than it took me when I rolled him.