Sorry, good luck w/ setting-up what'ver you get...



i'm the guy in the wheel well of the white car
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...408scc_time02/

i've been working on and arround EVO & DSM chassises (my own & others) for over 3 years. From what I've seen, set-up is much more important than the parts themselves.

yeaaaaa! I've now doubled my post count!

Joshua West

 

Hey Josh, good advice !!! Setup is key in anything. Too many parts out there setup like crap. You can not compare 2 setups unless you have personally setup BOTH of them up yourselves. An opinion needs to be based on fact, no regurgitated info from 10 friends.

Seek out the services of good chasis guys, they will help dial in whatever setup you are running everyone !!!

Mark

 

I agree with the point you guys are making about set-up completely. A properly set up car will be able to make the best use of whatever components it's running.

Having driven Evo's equiped with Zeal, JIC and Tein coilovers on the track and street, and with them all being set-up by the same person I can honestly say that of those three choices, the Zeals seem to be the best solution.

All the set-up was done by the shop-owner who is an experienced and competitive road racer on all three suspension options. The Zeal and JIC coilovers were on my car, and the Teins were on his shop car. After about 10 minutes in my car with the Zeals he said he would have to look into getting a set of them - he was really impressed. The Teins, he said, rode well and handled ok, but still allowed more roll and dive than he liked.

As I said, I've driven all three, and the Zeals are great on the track (better than the Teins), but where they really knocked the JICs out was on the street - on rough roads the Zeals seem to ride even better than the OEM suspension - an opinion shared by everyone who's regulary been a passanger in my car, and at least three other Evo owners now.

 

Agreed, I noticed a touch of roll/dive at Road Atlanta, which I am sure was due to the ligther spring rates. I have no doubt the Zeal is a fabulous solution, but for the money, I couldn't pass up the Teins, which I got for around a grand used. When the car is being prepped for racing, I will change them out, but for now, they work well, as well as the wife or I can drive, so I am happy with my setup, for now .

 

Hey guys,

We have driven in many coilover setup (Tein, HKS, Tanabe, Cusco, etc...) and none of them will come close to our custom Zeal setup. The ride quality of the Zeals are unmatch by any other brands and it will still keep your car flat around the corners.

Thanks,
Tom
Gruppes
510-783-5300

 

Alright Tom: where are the Zeals? I just hopped on the site to compare prices and I cannot find them. Is there a secret name or a special place I have to go to in order to see them. I can see Tien, HKS, Cusco, Ralliart, Buddy Club, KG/MM. No Zeal.

TIA

 

how much do zeals run and what model are they?

 

I don't mean to hijack - and don't think I am, completely - but as well as auto-x and road course, I need to find a setup that makes the car ride less like a jeep to keep the wife happy ... do any of these truly improve ride COMFORT when set up properly for it?

Thanks!

 

...our FunctionX set-up is smooth as glass on the road, not a hint of bounce or pogo on concrete freeways.

 

Um, who are you and what is your product?

 

My 8/9kg Zeal Function V6 setup rides better than stock, yet rolls less than stock also. The ride is a little stiff, but not harsh.

 

What is the title again, "Best coilover for track and autoX". Should it really say, Best coilover for ride/ comfort, daily driving, some club track and local autoX for a non series competitor that I can afford.

Best= Penkse, Moton, Koni, JRZ, Ohlins, etc. (also highest cost).

From the original person's post I would think it would mainly be based on how much you want to spend. Are they rebuildable? Can you order them with your choice of springs? Single or double adjustable (choice)? Is there enough service and support (not talking about vendors). How long with they last? How long am I going to keep the car?

There is no question it's all about suspension set-up, but starting off with good equipment certainly helps in the long run. I can see someone just getting into racing starting with Tein or JIC, then DMS or Zeal, then Koni or Moton. That also goes with adjustment: Single, then double, then triple or quad adjustment. Imagine the overall cost then.

FWIW, just look at US/European professional racing (F1, IRL, Nascar, Speed World, etc.) Any running Tein, HKS, Cusco, or JIC?

BTW, there are many past threads about coilovers.

Dave

 

Of course there are past threads about coilovers on this board. It just happens that this board's search cabability blows goats. And google does not seem to index this site very deeply.

I didn't actually ask the question you expanded my question into. My wife rarely rides in my car and the stock suspension already makes her car sick.

What I'm really after is a coilover setup that I can learn to dial-in for different events and tracks. It appears that most coilovers come with camber plates so I'm good there. But I would like to have double adjustable (compression and rebound), which Tien does not appear to do.

Lets limit the discussion: What is the best coilover for track and AutoX and costs less than $2000?

 

My apologies for draggin' the thread off-track - let's find some specifics, quantified, to help the man folks?

 

$2000 narrows it down quite a bit. I would suggest getting some used JIC's that have been revalved by a reputable shop. Just try and avoid shocks with 60mm coil springs. From my experience, Eibach, H&R, and Hyperco do not carry a strong line of them. 2.25" and 2.5" are common here in the US. But then again, you can always go with Swift. Maybe someone else can help if your looking for new.

Good Luck!

Dave