I am trying to figure out what the best pad choice will be for lapping days, mostly at Watkins Glen. I am planning on using motul 600 fluid and staying with the stock calipers and rotors. I am leaning towards the ferodo 3000 or porterfield rs4 carbon kevlar pads. I am looking for any inpout as to what pads people like the best. I already did a search so please only constructive posts. Thanks for any help.

 

You searched yet this thread wasn't good enough?
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ght=track+pads

 

Thanks. I didn't see this one. Very helpful.

 

Personally, I like Carbotech XP-9's or XP-10's for stock Evo brakes. If you're using street tires, the XP-9's are great. For DOT-R tires, the XP-10's are terrific.

WHat I like about these compounds is that they're easy to modulate. Many race pads have too much initial bite and they make it tough to threshold brake without our hyperactive ABS system kicking in prematurely. Also, they generate dust that's pretty easy to clean. Many race pads generate a horrible, tenacious dust that can corrode your wheels and damage paint. No so the Carbotechs.

Emre

 

I'm pleased with the performance of my Endless CC-X pads on the roadcourse, but I have yet to try other pads.

 

I've been considering these, how do you like them off the track (street driving)?

 

Endless advertises that their initial response is fine, and I'd have to agree. They grip right off the bat. Otherwise, I'd say they're about the same as the stock pads in terms of rotor wear and dust levels. Without reusing the Brembo shims, you can expect the car to howl like a banshee when braking for stoplights.

 

Thanks. I spoke with Matt at carbotech and he confirmed everything you mentioned with regards to paint etc. I am going to order the XP-10's to go with my kosei k1s and advan a032r's. I think this with ss line and the motul 600 and I should be good to go.

 

Without being argumentative, I would say that this indicates the CC-X pads are probably NOT the best choice for track work.

A pad that works that well when stone cold and has little/no wear on rotors when stone cold generally does not hold up at the very high temperatures seen on the track. Conversely, dedicated race pads that hold together at very high temps generally work horribly on the street.

Since the original poster was asking about dedicated track pads (and not a "street & track" compromise), I think there are probably better choices on the market.

Emre

 

I had good experience with XP-9's, PF97's are great too!

n

 

As usual, I agree with Nils. What's that they say about great minds thinking alike?

I've used PF-90's and PF-97's on my E30 track car. They really do work very well in a driving school setting. Very easy to control.

Emre

 

since you asked about the f 3000, they work great, dust like mount st hellens and eat rotors.
can't relate their style to any of the others, so how much they eat may be relative.

 

To counter, i'm running CCR's, and they're great on track, but if you leave them on for a week or so between events, you'll regret it, even with the shims

Never had fade with them at all, and i've boiled fluid rather consistantly, great pads, always have plenty of brake left, whereas when pushing it, i run out of RA-1 pretty easily. Pulling over 1.4 g's in braking with these, and stock suspension.

downside? they ain't cheap.

 

That may be true. But keep in mind that you're talking about Endless CC-R pads, which are race compounds. In contrast, speedomodel was talking about the CC-X pads, which are a street/track hybrid pad. Not really the same thing.

Emre

 

Im currently using the raybestos ST43 which is an endurance race compound. very good stopping power, needs to be warmed up, no more than any other race compound, but very abrasive on rotors (you will need a separate set) and there is a good potential for noise.
http://www.livermoreperformance.com/...tml#mitsubishi

If you are willing to put up with the downsides, there is no better track pad.

Also as far as stock oem rotors, i recently bought rotors for the evo from http://stores.ebay.com/ROTORPROS, they seem cheap but are good quality, i would venture to say better than oem since they warp less.

I have also used Hawk Blues and Pagid Orange in the past. Both fairly successfully but as far as a dedicated track pad, the raybestoes is the best so far.