can u give example because i didnt notice any? just want to learn.

 

I've heard this story more than once with 710s on a road course. While you can get away with them, they overheat quickly and like being cold. If it's an option, invest in another set of rims for RA1s if you are set on running R-comps, but IMO, run the 615s for a while.

Devin

 

Yah, I had the Group 3 lead instructor with me for my check ride, too. He said the same thing you're saying (and most of the rest).

It wasn't so much that I didn't realize the tires were going, but I've never had race tires and don't know how they feel when they are about to bite the dust. I was trying to drive like I always had, but it wasn't working, and I was confused for a while. Figured out the deal and compensated eventually, but not before the 2-off on the same turn twice.

Don't worry - I have no tips for anyone, haha.

 

I actually love my 615s and now have more track time with them than the V710s. I run the 615s to learn, and then I r un the V710s for lap times and obviously learning to deal with more grip. When I go with dedicated race rims and big V710s later, I plan to get some RA-1s for my current spare rim set. They'll last a while, and I can run them for regular driving without wearing out my street tires, then use the V710s for when it counts. For now, I'll just keep learning on the 615s for a while, since I'm apparently falling short. I just wonder if it would appear the same had I shown the hour and a half of no offs and good lap times with tires that were working well. For all I know, it may have looked good to me while being obviously noobish to others.

 

Good save on Turn 1 there. You almost rolled it

 

Well, for what it's worth in the 3 years I've been tracking the car I have put tires in the grass exactly once. Maybe I'm not pushing hard enough, but I am competitive lap time-wise. I do need to drive the car home at the end of the day though and I know my limits, even if they change at every event.

If you are all about that ultimate clean lap, then the learning curve will be steep and bumpy. I'm in no hurry to set a track record anywhere and am taking my time getting faster. Each time out I find the limit of another part, and learn something new about my driving, or the car, etc. It's not wrong to be aggressive, just expensive and potentially dangerous. You really should consider more safety equipment. After moving out of HPDE 3 and into TT, I've decided a rollbar and 6-point harnesses are necessary equipment - one purchase my wife whole-heartedly approved of.

 

Amazing how open the wife/gf is to safety mods eh? Now.... how can I make every mod a "safety" item...

 

How do you learn your limits without putting a wheel off? I do understand the whole taking it easy to learn the lines and such, but how do you learn to drive at the limit with threshold acceleration and threshold braking if not actually driving at the limit? That's probably where my confusion lies. I have driven at 80%, and it's fine, but I don't feel like I'm learning anything, since it's much slower, and I'm not having to work hard to maintain the line. How does it work?

 

^ I suppose seat time, lots of it.

At a roadcourse I dont like to push really really hard, it takes me a long time to get comfortable, I have gone off 1 time @ gingerman and it wasnt bad at all - I saw it coming and it was fine.

This is why I like to autox quite a bit more than trackday driving - yep trackdays are fun, but I feel a lot more comfortabe pushing myself and the car at an autox, its until I have some dedicated track car that I would push - heh or maybe a team car thats not really mine, lol that would be the way to do it

 

not to get off topic too much, but I can see what you are saying how it could be easy to brute around an autox course and have some bad habits form. But, really driving is driving in a sense - what it takes to set a "perfect lap" around an autox and roadcourse is much a like. I guess it can be argued either way, but it takes smooth inputs line competence and etc to be fast on an autox and track period.

 

by taking small bit everytime, if u brake @ the 4 marker and it feels fine, brake @ 3.5 next time and see. dont go from 4 to 1 is what i am saying. u will find the limit of the car in a few laps without going off. racing is a lot about keeping ur cools, u cant force what the car/driver cant do.

 

I'm not suggesting you drive at 80%, maybe 95% instead of 105%. I have have plenty of 'moments' in the car on track; I just don't hang it out at the edge in every corner so that if I do have an issue, I've got room to recover. I could be marginally faster if I pushed it that extra bit, but I'd rather keep that room for error (my own or someone else's) so I can drive the car home in one piece. Of course everyone is different, YMMV.

If I had plans to race wheel to wheel, my outlook would be different. When I raced motorcycles I was on the edge every corner of every lap. I won my fair share of events, but I also fell off a lot. Lesson learned.

 

Could be saving me from some similar lessons.

 

Looks like raw, aggressive, unrefined, pretty fast driving. Pretty much the way I drive. I accept the increased risk associated with this type of driving but have also come to understand it is part of why I'm enjoying this sport more and more.
I went 4 off on my first practice session at the Redline time attack at Beaverun. I hated doing it, but I was pushing it as I had only a few laps to learn the track (and my cars limits) before my timed session.
Not being a very experienced driver, this was the only way I could get a "crash" course on running a fast lap. It worked, and I did well in my first time attack.
I think you just have to be smart about when and where you take it to the limit (walls, other cars on the track...etc.). And, as I've learned, if you go off-do not try to save it. Slide off smoothly, collect yourself, and drive another day.

Drive hard and have fun!!

Johannes

 

One thing to remeber is it is much easier to ADD speed in a corner than it is to scrub speed in a corner... setting up for a corner exit works better than entering hot and scrubbing speed, fighting to exit it decently. Slow in - fast out! Besides our cars exit very well