I searched and everything is about 4pts and 'street/ricer' use. My parents want to get me something for Christmas and I've been planning on getting harnesses for track for next year so i figured that would be what they can get me.

I am going to go with the Sparco Harness Bar and not a cage since it is a DD and a track car.

Questions:

1: Should i also stick with Sparco harness'?
2: I would like 5 or 6 pt, does anyone know how easy or hard it is to install on stock seats? I understand i will have to take it some where to get the holes cut in the seat bottoms so thats another bit of info I will need.
3: best place to order them?
4: how hard or easy is it to put the harness's asside or remove them for street use vs being on track?

 

No, there is LOTS of discussion on this topic that is very much on topic and very important. Based on input from a lot of people, I decided NOT to do a harness and harness bar while sticking with a CG lock until I get a roll bar or cage. My car is also a daily driver, and I put my infant son in the back when taking him to/from daycare. I would like a harness, but since they are dangerous during a rollover, I opted against it. In a rollover, the harness keeps you upright, so if the roof caves in, your neck is likely broken. Also, you have to worry about internal damage from the lap belt in some cases as well as avoiding submarining.

Be sure to read up on all of that before deciding on a harness bar + harness. The harness bar provides no protection and is just there to hold the harness, which can also be connected to the rear seat LATCH system instead.

 

If you are going to get a harness bar I would highly recommend that you look at dmc instead of sparco.. DMC makes oem equipment for lotus, ect. ect.. (i forget who all they make equipment for). A buddy of mine has the sparco bar.. I bought the DMC bar and the quality is much better in my opinion and his..

I have had my DMC bar with built in camera mount for 3 months an love it.. Also not trying to hijack your thread but I am going full cage so if you want I would be willing to sell you mine fairly cheap.

You can pm me if interested in mine.. It is in perfect condition.. Either way I would go DMC in a heartbeat before sparco.

 

What does quality really matter with a harness bar? It doesn't do anything except bolt in and hold the harness. What else is there to it?

 

well warrtalon I have never seen your car but my evo is very nice.. The DMC bar is the same price but the welds are much better . The design is different ( connecting tabs to the mounting points are different) And the paint coating looks more susbstantial... So from an asthetics stand point you can see where quality matters..


From a structural stand point the upper mounting area is much more substantial.
Therefore I would consider this a safer product.

I would say quality is very important

 

What do you mean by the "upper mounting area" being "more substantial" and what makes it safer? A harness bar is not a safety item. It does nothing for safety. I'm not asking in a manner of disagreeing - I'm asking in a manner of not knowing how the thing you mentioned makes a difference. In many things, yes, quality is important, but you haven't given me a good explanation of how quality matters in this case or even how the DMC bar has higher quality other than how it looks.

As for aesthetics of the bars themselves, that is irrelevant to me, but it may matter to Golovko. This is my plain Evo:

 

Nice car.. What are you running for rubber? I am thinking about going to the Advan A005's for the 2007 season.. Also I see something in your drivers side bumper. Behind the grill.. I am assuming this is for brake cooling. Are you running a pre-made kit such as the AMS kit or did you make your own.. thanks

Back to the harness bar:

What I'm saying is there are two lower mounting points and two upper mounting points.. The tabs on the DMC bar look to be thicker and at a better angle to support the incredible forces of an impact..( for the upper mounting points that is ) I'm sure we both agree that you should really have a cage if you are running harnesses but if you are going to run a bar it is very important that it be top quality... Safety is what I am thinking here. If the welds are better and the mounting point it self is thicker and more substantial then that would seem to be better to me.. (safety wise)

Keep in mind that both products cost the same price from most any vendor..


Did I explain this ok?? (not being a jerk just to be sure)

 

285/30-18 V710s and the Forge Brake Duct Cooling Kit. I submitted a write-up/review/install thread in the Vendor Review area.

Yes, I do agree that a cage is proper and that harnesses are not proper without a cage, which is why I don't have a harness and use a CG lock. I didn't know any better at first and was about to get a harness and harness bar until I gathered more information and thought better of it. I would do a roll bar, since it's a daily driver, but my son's baby seat has to go in the back seat, so I can't right now. When I get to wheel-to-wheel racing, I'll do at least a roll bar along with a proper harness, suit/gloves/boost, and neck support.

I can see how the brackets may seem sturdier, but I'm still not seeing what makes it safer. Are you saying that you think the Sparco bar's brackets are susceptible to breaking under load, which could render the harnesses useless? Have there been reports of this happening?

 

I would make no such claims about the sparco harness bar because I have never heard a claim of breakage.. I am just saying for the same money I would feel more comfortable in an accident with the DMC bar.

I am going to go look up your write up now... I was thinking about getting the AMS cooling kit but I will look up your write up and see what it looks like.

on a side note.....

I dont come on this forum often because I have grown sick of the usless posts and lack of knowledge provided.. I'm not talking bad about the sight just saying that it seems to me that it was easier to find good info in the past than it is now..
Anyway good to know there are still people on here who know their head from a hole in the ground..

 

DMC bar is a much nicer unit that the sparco, i have the sparco. The car in the link below is a friend of mine. Quality and design is much better on the DMC, its better structaly and take us less space in the back seat as well.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ht=harness+bar

 

Yeah that is a great link.. thanks for adding that..
That is the exact bar I have for sale

 

You got one thing majorly wrong here.

If you are buying a harness "bar" in the hopes that it will help in an impact, you are completely wrong in what you are buying.

A harness "bar" is only meant to hold you in place for forces in cornering, for auto crosses and stuff like that. I highly doubt any "bar" will keep itself intact in the event of an impact.

I do recommend what Warrtalon says, use a CG lock device, until you decide that you want to move to a half roll bar/cage, or a full cage setup.

 

Being a moderator I would think you would read the post first.. Apparently I'm wrong. First I am not buying anything since I am not the one who originated the post..

Second.. Yes a harness bar should keep you in place when involved in an impact.. Either that or the MVD has no clue about safety since 4 point harnesses and Harness bars are legal as long as they are push button release and not cam lock.

I dont see any reason why you would put in a harness bar and assume you will be doomed in a head on collision...

Oh yeah BTW almost forgot to mention I took a digger head first into a cement wall at a track here in Arizona and My harness bar saved me from flying through the front windshield...

 

Huh? I never said you were buying it. I was making general statements. Please don't turn this into a flamefest.

Harness bars are NOT legal, in MOST states for the simple fact, they are UNRELIABLE! Wisconsin for example, it's illegal for ANY harnesses to be used on the street, regardless of a roll cage or not.

If you were in an impact and it saved you, consider yourself lucky. I wouldn't disagree that they will work and help save you in a frontal impact, 80% of the time, but personally that 20% is more than enough to not want to use it.

Figure this... you are using something welded up by some shop, either being someone as big as Sparco, or as small as this dmc shop, compared to using a factory restraint system, developed by a car manufacturer as big as Mitsubishi, and certified through countless DOT tests and requirements.

For that simple fact, with all the ebay knock offs, or the geometry of how that is setup, I would NOT use it in any high speed situations, where a strong impact, or a roll over could occur.

If you want to do that, see my recommendations above.

 

Fireball - its late and im tired so please excuse me asking. When you say they're not legal and wont protect you in an accident im guessing you're talking about the harness BAR. not the harness itself. now when you're talking about not being made by sparco but instead being made by a huge company like mitsubishi and subjected to testing, are you talking about the seatbelt in our cars vs a racing harness? are racing harnesses legal substitutes to wearing a regular 3pt seatbelt so long as i attach mine to the original seatbelt mounts in front and either the seatbelt mount in back or the LATCH mount? the issue is because when i go out for a spirited drive ive noticed that i slide around a bit in my seat. this is probably partially to the fact that it doesnt have as much thigh/lower body bolstering as a racing seat and partially the fact that the seatbelt doesnt hold you in as tight. what i wanted to do was upgrade to a fixed(non reclinable) seat like the sparco fighter for example and a harness like the sparco 4pt Camlock. which functions better? camlock or push button release? any advice is greatly appreciated. thanks!

btw - sorry to the guy who started this thread. im not trying to hijack it just trying to get some info like you are.