South Florida Autocross
Jun 29, 2007, 11:24 AM
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South Florida Autocross
So I ran autocross last Sunday, this was my second outing, the first outing was back in 2005 then the car was bone stock, this time out I have a Robispec setup and V710. What a difference!!!!!!!!!!!! The balance and grip are fantastic. Thanks Robi!!!
That being said I am not happy with how I did; I got 4th in Street Mod out of 11 and 8th in Pax out of 158. The car is capable of MUCH MUCH faster times I have to improve my driving to match. Properly driven the times could be reduced by a second.
Here are my excuses: - I had bad push from over driving in the tight stuff
, not looking ahead enough, and I reached late so I only walked the track once.
The guy who won the class is a great driver and his car impressed me. Competition is good, it makes you improve.
The track is the go-kart track at Moroso Motorsports Park, kind of narrow for a car at full tilt on the verge of sliding, but in a sick when I found that fun!! Really fast course, the first turn (a right-left chicane) could be taken bouncing off the rev limiter in second, on one of the runs I got to third before the chicane (launch REALLY hard and spun the 285's
). You could also get to third after the chicane. The last half of the track was very tight with hairpin type turns, this is where I over drove the car.
First time I have ever 1) touched a corner berm, 2) used a berm for a faster line. Feed in the correction and power and the car pulled out of a slide like a dream (power slide a 4WD car - YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).
I believe I need a racing seat, after coming out of a corner I would actually have to "get back in the seat" which took away from me concentrating on “the line”
I have to give a big up to Robi, man the car handles great!!!!!!!!
THE CAR HAS A **** LOAD OF GRIP.
Let me say this one more time
THE CAR HAS A **** LOAD OF GRIP.
Oh well we will see what happens next month
2006 SUBARU STI
50.854
49.856
50.927
49.842
50.592
2006 Mitsubishi EVO 9 MR
50.604
50.811
50.306
50.746
50.043
2006 Subaru STI
55.497+2
52.524
50.308
55.031+2
51.327
2003 Mitsubishi EVO 8
52.201
50.618
51.355
50.780
50.735
1999 Nissan Sentra
54.735
53.013
53.203
52.149
52.924
2004 Subaru WRX
57.065
55.111
56.350
55.812
55.332
1994 Honda civic
57.388
55.461
55.559
55.475
55.371
05 Cobalt
58.613
57.294
57.848
57.234
56.665
1993 Ford Mustang Coupe
63.104
59.796
62.882+2
59.413
58.804
1985 BMW 535i
59.038
59.839
59.915
1991 Nissan 240sx turbo
63.564
62.040
61.276
61.796
61.177
That being said I am not happy with how I did; I got 4th in Street Mod out of 11 and 8th in Pax out of 158. The car is capable of MUCH MUCH faster times I have to improve my driving to match. Properly driven the times could be reduced by a second.
Here are my excuses: - I had bad push from over driving in the tight stuff
, not looking ahead enough, and I reached late so I only walked the track once. The guy who won the class is a great driver and his car impressed me. Competition is good, it makes you improve.
The track is the go-kart track at Moroso Motorsports Park, kind of narrow for a car at full tilt on the verge of sliding, but in a sick when I found that fun!! Really fast course, the first turn (a right-left chicane) could be taken bouncing off the rev limiter in second, on one of the runs I got to third before the chicane (launch REALLY hard and spun the 285's
). You could also get to third after the chicane. The last half of the track was very tight with hairpin type turns, this is where I over drove the car.First time I have ever 1) touched a corner berm, 2) used a berm for a faster line. Feed in the correction and power and the car pulled out of a slide like a dream (power slide a 4WD car - YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).
I believe I need a racing seat, after coming out of a corner I would actually have to "get back in the seat" which took away from me concentrating on “the line”
I have to give a big up to Robi, man the car handles great!!!!!!!!
THE CAR HAS A **** LOAD OF GRIP.
Let me say this one more time
THE CAR HAS A **** LOAD OF GRIP.
Oh well we will see what happens next month
'Street Modified' - Total Entries: 11 Trophies: 4
Times
Run 1
Run 2
Run 3
Run 4
Run 5
Fastest
Time
50.854
49.856
50.927
49.842
50.592
49.842
50.604
50.811
50.306
50.746
50.043
50.043
55.497+2
52.524
50.308
55.031+2
51.327
50.308
52.201
50.618
51.355
50.780
50.735
50.618
54.735
53.013
53.203
52.149
52.924
52.149
57.065
55.111
56.350
55.812
55.332
55.111
57.388
55.461
55.559
55.475
55.371
55.371
58.613
57.294
57.848
57.234
56.665
56.665
63.104
59.796
62.882+2
59.413
58.804
58.804
59.038
59.839
59.915
59.038
63.564
62.040
61.276
61.796
61.177
61.177
Jun 29, 2007, 11:29 AM
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I can understand being disappointed with 4th in class, but whoa, 8th in PAX out of 158 is awesome unless the region is very weak. There is no shame in being 4th in class if you're 8th overall. Hell, that means the #1 guy was probably 1st overall, right? (Just looked it up, and the 3 SM finishers ahead of you finished 3/4/5 in PAX).
In my region, which is very strong overall but weak in SM, if I get 8th in PAX, then I'm usually 2-3 seconds faster than the next person in SM. I tend to finish from 6-12 in PAX, but no one in SM gets anywhere near that...
It looks like you just have a very strong local SM class, but I'm surprised that you were 8th overall with such a great setup yet there was another Evo ahead of you in SM. Is his setup also to the extreme?
In my region, which is very strong overall but weak in SM, if I get 8th in PAX, then I'm usually 2-3 seconds faster than the next person in SM. I tend to finish from 6-12 in PAX, but no one in SM gets anywhere near that...
It looks like you just have a very strong local SM class, but I'm surprised that you were 8th overall with such a great setup yet there was another Evo ahead of you in SM. Is his setup also to the extreme?
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Jun 29, 2007, 12:02 PM
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I can understand being disappointed with 4th in class, but whoa, 8th in PAX out of 158 is awesome unless the region is very weak. There is no shame in being 4th in class if you're 8th overall. Hell, that means the #1 guy was probably 1st overall, right? (Just looked it up, and the 3 SM finishers ahead of you finished 3/4/5 in PAX).
In my region, which is very strong overall but weak in SM, if I get 8th in PAX, then I'm usually 2-3 seconds faster than the next person in SM. I tend to finish from 6-12 in PAX, but no one in SM gets anywhere near that...
It looks like you just have a very strong local SM class, but I'm surprised that you were 8th overall with such a great setup yet there was another Evo ahead of you in SM. Is his setup also to the extreme?
In my region, which is very strong overall but weak in SM, if I get 8th in PAX, then I'm usually 2-3 seconds faster than the next person in SM. I tend to finish from 6-12 in PAX, but no one in SM gets anywhere near that...
It looks like you just have a very strong local SM class, but I'm surprised that you were 8th overall with such a great setup yet there was another Evo ahead of you in SM. Is his setup also to the extreme?
"but I'm surprised that you were 8th overall with such a great setup" - easy I suck, I need to improve.
Actually because of the work\run group order I didn't see the other Evos so I can tell. but his times a really good so I suspect so.
Jun 29, 2007, 12:09 PM
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No, you don't suck for being 8th. I was saying I was surprised you were 8th when another Evo in SM was 4th. With your setup and finishing that high, it means he has to have quite a badass setup, too. You read my comment backwards - it was complimentary.
The other Evo should have been right with you in the same run group - doesn't all of SM run together? If not, then that doesn't make sense.
Are you sure the region is very strong? I wouldn't expect you to immediately finish 8th and talk about how poorly you drove if it was strong. I finish around the same in PAX with 150-200 cars, but it takes my awesome suspension, 285 V710s, and some pretty good driving to finish where I do. The people around me in the PAX are national champions and national trophy winners. If your region is truly that strong, then you should have no shame whatsoever.
The other Evo should have been right with you in the same run group - doesn't all of SM run together? If not, then that doesn't make sense.
Are you sure the region is very strong? I wouldn't expect you to immediately finish 8th and talk about how poorly you drove if it was strong. I finish around the same in PAX with 150-200 cars, but it takes my awesome suspension, 285 V710s, and some pretty good driving to finish where I do. The people around me in the PAX are national champions and national trophy winners. If your region is truly that strong, then you should have no shame whatsoever.
Jun 29, 2007, 12:23 PM
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Car looks awesome, and like Warr said...you drove well...I can't wait to get my car ready for Autocross...this TeinS tech on this worn out struts would be a joke at the Auto X.
You bought the suspension package from Robi? or he just tweaked your existing set up...which is?
You bought the suspension package from Robi? or he just tweaked your existing set up...which is?
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I don’t like the fact that they ran after us, I believe, watching can get an advantage. After my runs I stood up watching those that were fast, those that weren't, what was done differently, how the fast approached and attacked certain corners and it would have made a difference for me had I seem that before I ran.
But as the noob I didn't want to make noise about it.
Also, I don’t know how other clubs run, or how it is done at nationals, but here you run then go back to staging and in 10 min or less you run again. You can forget about making a suspension adjustment, or tweak. During that time the Evo cant cool off so heat soak really becomes an issue not just in the engine but the tires. For my last two runs the tire REALLY got hot.
To compound the issue someone measured the track temp and it read 149 deg!!! Many competitors (all the top guys) had water spray bottles (the garden spray type) I am going to get one for the next event – think it is ok to spray the intake manifold and UICP?
I know where I was fast and I know where I was slow, I also know what I needed to do in the slow sections BUT in the heat of battle I just couldn't apply the theory perfectly - I guess that’s were experience comes in.
Jun 29, 2007, 04:04 PM
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Warrtalon - thanks for the complement.
I believe the region is strong, mabe some of the guys from down here could pipe in and give there opinion.
I believe the region is strong, mabe some of the guys from down here could pipe in and give there opinion.
Jun 29, 2007, 04:05 PM
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I thought we would have all run together too, but only the STI (first place) and I ran together, and I wasn't given a choice.
I don’t like the fact that they ran after us, I believe, watching can get an advantage. After my runs I stood up watching those that were fast, those that weren't, what was done differently, how the fast approached and attacked certain corners and it would have made a difference for me had I seem that before I ran.
But as the noob I didn't want to make noise about it.
Also, I don’t know how other clubs run, or how it is done at nationals, but here you run then go back to staging and in 10 min or less you run again. You can forget about making a suspension adjustment, or tweak. During that time the Evo cant cool off so heat soak really becomes an issue not just in the engine but the tires. For my last two runs the tire REALLY got hot.
To compound the issue someone measured the track temp and it read 149 deg!!! Many competitors (all the top guys) had water spray bottles (the garden spray type) I am going to get one for the next event – think it is ok to spray the intake manifold and UICP?
I know where I was fast and I know where I was slow, I also know what I needed to do in the slow sections BUT in the heat of battle I just couldn't apply the theory perfectly - I guess that’s were experience comes in.
I don’t like the fact that they ran after us, I believe, watching can get an advantage. After my runs I stood up watching those that were fast, those that weren't, what was done differently, how the fast approached and attacked certain corners and it would have made a difference for me had I seem that before I ran.
But as the noob I didn't want to make noise about it.
Also, I don’t know how other clubs run, or how it is done at nationals, but here you run then go back to staging and in 10 min or less you run again. You can forget about making a suspension adjustment, or tweak. During that time the Evo cant cool off so heat soak really becomes an issue not just in the engine but the tires. For my last two runs the tire REALLY got hot.
To compound the issue someone measured the track temp and it read 149 deg!!! Many competitors (all the top guys) had water spray bottles (the garden spray type) I am going to get one for the next event – think it is ok to spray the intake manifold and UICP?
I know where I was fast and I know where I was slow, I also know what I needed to do in the slow sections BUT in the heat of battle I just couldn't apply the theory perfectly - I guess that’s were experience comes in.
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.feel free to bother him LOL
www.robispec.com or you can PM for his number.
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Those fenders are sweet--would you mind sharing abt how much?