SLC ProSolo - Aug 11/12
Too bad you didn't make it Clayton, it was a pretty good time. Tyler Faucett ran dirty on all but two of his runs. His second to last run we all gave him enough grief that he finally slowed down and cleaned it up. What I notice about Tyler is that he is really abrupt on input and unnecessarily causing the car to slide around. There is so much more in that car once they get a handle on it. Neither of the Faucets are getting very good 60' times, typically at or a bit slower than my co-driver and I were running in our nearly stock e36 M3. I didn't get a chance to ask Gustavson, but he did appear to be having an off weekend. He is normally at the top of SM, locally. His car is a bit underprepped, but he is quite good. Riley Simas improved a lot and came out with a trophy spot in SM.
From the details I received, Monreals motor let go as he got on throttle coming out of the turn-around. The motor finally killed over entering the slalom well after the turn-around. One of the plugs has aluminum deposits on it and the anode and cathode were pressed together (no spark plug gap at all!). My best guess is either severe detonation or nasty EGTs cooked the motor. My motor just stopped making power. Monreals gave out in a puff of glory.
Coleman and Hayter both gave a really good showing. I spoke with Hayter and found out that his lead was strong enough from the first day that he was just experimenting on the second day (he also couldn't stay off of the cones). Both of those guys were taking advantage of the drag starts, with 1.6-1.8s 60' (shown as 2.2s on the clock, that I was told was adding in reaction time). If you haven't met either of them, they are great guys to talk to. Hayter was happy to talk strategy and assist us in figuring out what was going on.
McGaha had a pretty strong finish. He was flirting with first in AS on Saturday and nearly pulled it out on Sunday. Gordon Anderson opted out of Sunday, where just about everybody was faster, so he may have finished on top of AS had he showed. On the bright side, though, McGaha took first in the Pro Challenge, taking out Ron Bauer or Jim Daniels in their silly 285mm shod CSP Miata.
All in all, it was really good for my first national event. We had a very unfortunate incident on Sunday morning but the event was smooth otherwise. Next time I need a car that is a bit more than stock plus wheels/tires/camber plates.
On a side note, 3.5deg of negative camber in the front of a strut car yields a retarded amount of front-end grip and solves pretty much all side-wall roll-over.
-Jon
From the details I received, Monreals motor let go as he got on throttle coming out of the turn-around. The motor finally killed over entering the slalom well after the turn-around. One of the plugs has aluminum deposits on it and the anode and cathode were pressed together (no spark plug gap at all!). My best guess is either severe detonation or nasty EGTs cooked the motor. My motor just stopped making power. Monreals gave out in a puff of glory.
Coleman and Hayter both gave a really good showing. I spoke with Hayter and found out that his lead was strong enough from the first day that he was just experimenting on the second day (he also couldn't stay off of the cones). Both of those guys were taking advantage of the drag starts, with 1.6-1.8s 60' (shown as 2.2s on the clock, that I was told was adding in reaction time). If you haven't met either of them, they are great guys to talk to. Hayter was happy to talk strategy and assist us in figuring out what was going on.
McGaha had a pretty strong finish. He was flirting with first in AS on Saturday and nearly pulled it out on Sunday. Gordon Anderson opted out of Sunday, where just about everybody was faster, so he may have finished on top of AS had he showed. On the bright side, though, McGaha took first in the Pro Challenge, taking out Ron Bauer or Jim Daniels in their silly 285mm shod CSP Miata.
All in all, it was really good for my first national event. We had a very unfortunate incident on Sunday morning but the event was smooth otherwise. Next time I need a car that is a bit more than stock plus wheels/tires/camber plates.
On a side note, 3.5deg of negative camber in the front of a strut car yields a retarded amount of front-end grip and solves pretty much all side-wall roll-over.
-Jon
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Yeah, if they were cutting weak 60's, then I would have likely been way ahead in SM, but then I should have been anyway if Riley only had 245s and a slipping clutch, although it couldn't have been slipping too much if he was launching and on boost fully. 
yah the clutch was better today, i think it just got too hot yesterday... i had 2 runs yesterday where it slipped all the way through 2nd gear. today i was having a hard time with launching. al my rt's yesterday were in the .5-.6 range i think and i was launching on boost but today my best rt was like .9 or something and i was bogging a lot. i really wish you would have come out warr just to see where you stand, my guess would have been somewhere in the 33's.
the fastest modified car i think was the sm2 z06 that won nationals 2 years ago and that car was a beast, he was running in the 33's for the whole event except for one lucky run
the fastest modified car i think was the sm2 z06 that won nationals 2 years ago and that car was a beast, he was running in the 33's for the whole event except for one lucky run
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Well, Kevin Youngers with the FS Shelby ran 34.0, and I am usually 3-4 seconds ahead of his raw time in a 50-60-sec course, so I would have expected to be in the 32s and maybe even as low as 32.0. Hard to say, though, since that SM2 Vette was only in the high 32s on one run. I'm just very confident in my launching ability, since I've drag raced for so long and have won several bracket races. I lost my last bracket race due to cutting a .499 light (.001 red light) and pretty much am always in the .5XX range. Not good enough to bracket race competitively, but plenty good for ProSolo for the most part. No way to know, though. I guess I'll find out at the Finale if they allow 1-event cars to enter the ProSolo.
I don't intend this to go out as disrespect, but I haven't been that impressed with Younger's piloting of that Mustang in Denver or in SLC. I could certainly do no better but it looked like there was a lot more time out there as he was sliding all over the place. That might just be the car, though.
The area where the course was set leaves little for experimentation. The course was simple: high speed transitions out, a fun sweeper leading to a turn-around, a sweeper leading into a long slalom, then a quick right-left-right ess for the finish. Oddly, a Super Stock Z06 could do the front section without brakes but none of the Lotuses could. Our STU M3 could also do that whole section without brakes.
With the exception of a lotus or two with a good reaction time, it was pretty much only the top STX and STU drivers that actually launched correctly. The SM2 vette was NOT fast to 60 ft. As one would guess, if you leave with a .7s reaction time, you have already lost .2s of potential ground. Many did not get as low as .7s RT.
I play the time comparison game as well, but with so many national champions talking about sand-bagging, I don't know how you can really compare times honestly. In looking at some of the results this year, Lieber and Daddio have both finished 1-2 seconds ahead of SS, so you were probably looking at a pretty solid 32s time.
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The area where the course was set leaves little for experimentation. The course was simple: high speed transitions out, a fun sweeper leading to a turn-around, a sweeper leading into a long slalom, then a quick right-left-right ess for the finish. Oddly, a Super Stock Z06 could do the front section without brakes but none of the Lotuses could. Our STU M3 could also do that whole section without brakes.
With the exception of a lotus or two with a good reaction time, it was pretty much only the top STX and STU drivers that actually launched correctly. The SM2 vette was NOT fast to 60 ft. As one would guess, if you leave with a .7s reaction time, you have already lost .2s of potential ground. Many did not get as low as .7s RT.
I play the time comparison game as well, but with so many national champions talking about sand-bagging, I don't know how you can really compare times honestly. In looking at some of the results this year, Lieber and Daddio have both finished 1-2 seconds ahead of SS, so you were probably looking at a pretty solid 32s time.
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Yeah, if you put sandbagging into the equation, then I have no idea.
I think you should be impressed with Youngers, because he has finished top 10 PAX in multiple National events usually losing to Strano (defending National Champ) by mere tenths. In fact, in one event this year, Youngers was the #2 PAX overall!! But guess what, he was also #2 in FS!! Imagine that when some people win their class with a PAX in the 40-50 range but the #2 PAX doesn't win his own class. He also beat all of SM in raw time at SLC, so I think that despite the sliding, he has figured out how to be fast. He regularly finishes top 5 PAX in our RM region, which is amazing when we have the 2006 SCCA Driver of the Year driving in a better car with a co-driver who is also good and several other National Champs/Trophy winners. I'm happy just to finish top 10 PAX in this region...
I think you should be impressed with Youngers, because he has finished top 10 PAX in multiple National events usually losing to Strano (defending National Champ) by mere tenths. In fact, in one event this year, Youngers was the #2 PAX overall!! But guess what, he was also #2 in FS!! Imagine that when some people win their class with a PAX in the 40-50 range but the #2 PAX doesn't win his own class. He also beat all of SM in raw time at SLC, so I think that despite the sliding, he has figured out how to be fast. He regularly finishes top 5 PAX in our RM region, which is amazing when we have the 2006 SCCA Driver of the Year driving in a better car with a co-driver who is also good and several other National Champs/Trophy winners. I'm happy just to finish top 10 PAX in this region...
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Too bad you didn't make it Clayton, it was a pretty good time. Tyler Faucett ran dirty on all but two of his runs. His second to last run we all gave him enough grief that he finally slowed down and cleaned it up. What I notice about Tyler is that he is really abrupt on input and unnecessarily causing the car to slide around. There is so much more in that car once they get a handle on it. Neither of the Faucets are getting very good 60' times, typically at or a bit slower than my co-driver and I were running in our nearly stock e36 M3. I didn't get a chance to ask Gustavson, but he did appear to be having an off weekend. He is normally at the top of SM, locally. His car is a bit underprepped, but he is quite good. Riley Simas improved a lot and came out with a trophy spot in SM.
From the details I received, Monreals motor let go as he got on throttle coming out of the turn-around. The motor finally killed over entering the slalom well after the turn-around. One of the plugs has aluminum deposits on it and the anode and cathode were pressed together (no spark plug gap at all!). My best guess is either severe detonation or nasty EGTs cooked the motor. My motor just stopped making power. Monreals gave out in a puff of glory.
Coleman and Hayter both gave a really good showing. I spoke with Hayter and found out that his lead was strong enough from the first day that he was just experimenting on the second day (he also couldn't stay off of the cones). Both of those guys were taking advantage of the drag starts, with 1.6-1.8s 60' (shown as 2.2s on the clock, that I was told was adding in reaction time). If you haven't met either of them, they are great guys to talk to. Hayter was happy to talk strategy and assist us in figuring out what was going on.
McGaha had a pretty strong finish. He was flirting with first in AS on Saturday and nearly pulled it out on Sunday. Gordon Anderson opted out of Sunday, where just about everybody was faster, so he may have finished on top of AS had he showed. On the bright side, though, McGaha took first in the Pro Challenge, taking out Ron Bauer or Jim Daniels in their silly 285mm shod CSP Miata.
All in all, it was really good for my first national event. We had a very unfortunate incident on Sunday morning but the event was smooth otherwise. Next time I need a car that is a bit more than stock plus wheels/tires/camber plates.
On a side note, 3.5deg of negative camber in the front of a strut car yields a retarded amount of front-end grip and solves pretty much all side-wall roll-over.
-Jon
From the details I received, Monreals motor let go as he got on throttle coming out of the turn-around. The motor finally killed over entering the slalom well after the turn-around. One of the plugs has aluminum deposits on it and the anode and cathode were pressed together (no spark plug gap at all!). My best guess is either severe detonation or nasty EGTs cooked the motor. My motor just stopped making power. Monreals gave out in a puff of glory.
Coleman and Hayter both gave a really good showing. I spoke with Hayter and found out that his lead was strong enough from the first day that he was just experimenting on the second day (he also couldn't stay off of the cones). Both of those guys were taking advantage of the drag starts, with 1.6-1.8s 60' (shown as 2.2s on the clock, that I was told was adding in reaction time). If you haven't met either of them, they are great guys to talk to. Hayter was happy to talk strategy and assist us in figuring out what was going on.
McGaha had a pretty strong finish. He was flirting with first in AS on Saturday and nearly pulled it out on Sunday. Gordon Anderson opted out of Sunday, where just about everybody was faster, so he may have finished on top of AS had he showed. On the bright side, though, McGaha took first in the Pro Challenge, taking out Ron Bauer or Jim Daniels in their silly 285mm shod CSP Miata.
All in all, it was really good for my first national event. We had a very unfortunate incident on Sunday morning but the event was smooth otherwise. Next time I need a car that is a bit more than stock plus wheels/tires/camber plates.
On a side note, 3.5deg of negative camber in the front of a strut car yields a retarded amount of front-end grip and solves pretty much all side-wall roll-over.
-Jon
and yah, my car felt like it was pulling good, up until that moment i let off, when it started sounding funny i knew something was up, i let off the gas and it just died...its pretty cool about MMP letting me leave my car there until i can go get it
I still cant believe I won the Hawk Super Challenge!
I was a little bummed about getting second place in class. Even though its nothing to be ashamed of, I have beaten Larry (1st place) by almost a second in the past. I was a little off my game up untill the challenge, first national event jitters I guess.
It was nice to meet you Riley.
Its a bummer about Seanjhn9's motor problems, I think he had fun despite the fact though.
I was a little bummed about getting second place in class. Even though its nothing to be ashamed of, I have beaten Larry (1st place) by almost a second in the past. I was a little off my game up untill the challenge, first national event jitters I guess.
It was nice to meet you Riley.
Its a bummer about Seanjhn9's motor problems, I think he had fun despite the fact though.
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I still cant believe I won the Hawk Super Challenge!
I was a little bummed about getting second place in class. Even though its nothing to be ashamed of, I have beaten Larry (1st place) by almost a second in the past. I was a little off my game up untill the challenge, first national event jitters I guess.
It was nice to meet you Riley.
Its a bummer about Seanjhn9's motor problems, I think he had fun despite the fact though.
I was a little bummed about getting second place in class. Even though its nothing to be ashamed of, I have beaten Larry (1st place) by almost a second in the past. I was a little off my game up untill the challenge, first national event jitters I guess.
It was nice to meet you Riley.
Its a bummer about Seanjhn9's motor problems, I think he had fun despite the fact though.
and yeah, i had a blast, it was great meeting all riley and others this weekend although next time i go to MMP it'll be for the track
Youngers is fast, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't look fast and in control. It may just be a different driving style. Looking at the SS cars, they were smooth and getting tossed through the course. The Mustang appeared to be getting forced through the course, if that makes any sense. We have a local driver by the name of George Curtis that drives in a similar manner; he is quite adept at getting through the course quickly and consistently so I know it can work.
If you aren't spinning, how do you know your limits, right?
-Jon
If you aren't spinning, how do you know your limits, right?
-Jon
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Youngers is fast, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't look fast and in control. It may just be a different driving style. Looking at the SS cars, they were smooth and getting tossed through the course. The Mustang appeared to be getting forced through the course, if that makes any sense. We have a local driver by the name of George Curtis that drives in a similar manner; he is quite adept at getting through the course quickly and consistently so I know it can work.
If you aren't spinning, how do you know your limits, right?
-Jon
If you aren't spinning, how do you know your limits, right?
-Jon