Look at the the quote you posted:

"If we don't make these points with newbie's to the sport we can't expect them to stay around any more than the two to three years that seems to be the norm."

If that quote is a fact, ie, noob racers dont stick around more than 2-3 years, im willing to bet that if its true, its due to lack of money. I have a few local friends who arent racing because they dont have enough money. I had 2 races this past weekend at BRP that i skipped because i dont have enough money. I have to skip races so that i can save enough money to make it to Nationals. And i will most probably skip our upcoming 2 CS races also.

But i dont think you are a fair example. I dont mean any disrespect to you. Im just providing feedback. I dont know you, but arent you the owner of Buschur, or have some affiliation with Buschur? Either way, the reality is that you probably have more resources than most. So it would be easier for guys like you to resolve issues compared to guys like me, and my friends. I recently got into motorsports. Competed in NASAs TT series for 2 years (07-08). And this year started racing. Prior to all this i knew nothing about cars. Im learning as i go about. So its much harder for me to progress compared to guys who have been working on cars their entire life. If i had the right amount of money, i could solve all my difficulties and just focus on driving. But i dont have the right amount of money, so i get by however i can.

Btw, no offense, and im sure youre a good driver, but if youre passing the cars you noted, than id say wait until you face some real competition. You cant realistically compare yourself to HPDE guys. Beyond that, competition varies from one region to the next. So i would say wait until you start racing, especially on the National level (if thats something youre after).

 

Do you race? Or used to race? NASA? SCCA? F1?

 

No, Why ? I don't see how that disqualifies my statement's.

Money alone will never overcome all 100% time.

 

As harsh as it may sound Bueller does have a point.
The more competitive you get, the more money it requires. Money is one of the leading factors.
Talent is something you either get from the start or with experience. The more seat time you get the better you become, so you kinda obtain the talent by having a lot of seat time. And seat time = money ( a lot of money)


Some may have the talent right away, some will eventually get it. At least that's the way I see it

 

Opinions/statements vary. And IMO (rather loosely speaking), experience is the factor that triggers that change. If you dont have any actual experience in racing, chances are that you will not understand. And there are no words with which i can articulate it in a fashion so that you will understand.

 

What I am trying to say is MONEY will not BUY YOU talent, you personally. A person with pure talent and a feel for something is never going to be beat out by someone who does not, no matter how much that person that doesn't practices. I could play basketball 12 hours a day my entire life and I will never be a better basketball player than Michael Jordan. I can practice road racing everday and not be better than_______ (fill in the blank because I don't follow it but pick the best guy). Each person has to practive obviously but the one with the true talent is going to win.

bueller, yes, I own Buschur Racing. I road race a STOCK 2006 Eclipse though. I do not take a heavily modified EVO to the track. You "judged" me based on who I am so in return (not being rude either) I will judge you based on what you said.

You have a 2006 EVO Racecar and yet you can not afford to do what you love to do and say if you had more money you could concentrate more on driving. Well the first thing to do is get a car you can afford because if you are so tight on money you can't race the car you have, I'd get a cheap Miata, sell the EVO and open up a new world. For that matter go get a $2,000 kart that's ready to race, sell the EVO get some POS to drive daily and you'd have the money.
You have picked an expensive car to use for a "racecar" and it seems you are on a budget, poor decision if you ask me. I am not being insulting, I am making a point. In your case obviously you can afford to turn an EVO into a race car but then are too tight on money to race it. I'd say find a cheaper option to race.

As for who I pass with the Eclipse, you missed my point. My point is obviously I am more talented than other guys trying to do the same thing, the point here is practice and talent. I am quite aware that there are guys that will drive circles around me out there, they fit into all this with more practice and more talent. The money has nothing to do with it, I am already passing guys with much better set-ups, the point is money doesn't buy you a win.

I think I said this already, money can buy you the best equipment and hire the best drivers, you will win something as a team owner with enough money. I have plenty of examples just in the EVO world I could list. It will NOT however overcome no talent.

 

Good points Chad!

Experience is priceless, and karting is a great place to get it!

Sam

 

Yes, money does not buy you talent, but it buys you lots of things. Lots and lots of important things. Yes, you need talent, but you also need lots of money. But that is also relative to your competition. You could be a really talented driver (NASA/SCCA), but if your competition is spending more than you, than your chances of wining are limited. Lets say youre at a regional race. You and your competition have a collision. You dont have enough money to show up with a crew of guys who can take apart and rebuild an entire car. You also dont have enough money to show up with 1-2 spare cars, and replacement parts for pretty much everything. Your weekend is over, but your competition is back out the next day racing. End of the year he wins the regional championship because he finished more races than you.

The reality is that the competition is fierce, and the top guys in pretty much all sorts of racing are spending lots of money. I hear there are people spending around 100k a year for their kids to compete in karting. I hear there are SMs worth well over 50k. I hear there are ST1/SU cars that have over 100k in them. I hear there are low budget WC cars that have over 150k in them. So it doesnt matter if youre karting, racing in SM, ST1/SU, or WC. If you want to win, at some point money is going to be the deciding factor.

 

that's me, I don't care though, I love my Evo. Now I just need to figure out how to afford those Moton Club Sports.

 

This really is something that i cant explain with a few words on a forum. Long story short im racing my Evo because thats what excites me the most. I did a great deal of research, and in the end racing my Evo was what excited me the most. I know there are lots of racers that can outspend me, but ill just have to deal with it. Besides, like i noted in my preceding post, it really doesnt matter what series/class you race in, you have to spend money to win. SM is a great example to most people, but most people dont realize how expensive the top SM cars are. I knew what i was getting myself into. And im not complaining, because i get to race my Evo. But im lucky because i have a great support structure with my sponsors, mainly RRE. If it wasnt for their support i would not be able to do all this.

 

How do you make a small fortune racing? ..... Start with a large one!!

Racing is an addiction cured only by poverty!!

Rally racing makes a heroin addiction look like a vague craving for something salty!!

The unfortunate reality is that racing (of many kinds, not limited only to automotive) is expensive. Natural talent, hard work, determination etc. will get you far ... when combined with financial resources, you will get further.

 

Please get him either a LeattBrace or a 360 device for head and neck protection. they are much safer than the foam donuts.

 

as a first year autocrosser, the 10 commandments really hit home. i have a nice evo, lightly modified. fastest, best turning car ive ever owned. thought i was a competent driver (knew i wasnt the best but at least thought i would be competitive). went to my first autocross, lost to the top SM car (damned mini cooper) but about 14 seconds, and i thought i was absolutely flying, lol. ive had go-carts out drive me on a few occasions this year. however, as the year has gone on (and plenty of money spent ie tires, test and tunes aka seat time, running all the events in 2 regions, plus any other regions close enough) ive come to more of the middle of the pack and am now losing to the top drivers in my class by 4-5 seconds at an event as opposed to 10-14 seconds.
point is, i have learned first hand that it takes talent AND money to go fast. if i had more money, id have more seat time, and if i had more seat time id be a better driver and more competitive. the car is there, could use some suspension mods, maybe a lil more chassis work, but its completely capable, just not with the loose screw behind the wheel. i could take the best SM car in the country and still not beat the guys at my local level at this point, but after a few more seasons of as much seat time as possible (read time and money) i should be to the point where i can maybe pull off a win or two. not too interested in road racing at this point, again, money, cuz i cant afford to replace my baby should, God forbid, something happen to her.

 

Good advice to us all Thanks for sharing that man

 

Ed, money isn't everything. You are in a relatively open series and sure, someone can outspend you, but you had to know that going in. You could have sold your EVO, purchased a used SRF for $15k and run in the top 10% in the nation on talent alone. The running costs are much less and it is a spec series, much more so than "spec" miata. The EVO is a fast, heavy car. A SRF is lightweight and built like a tank. You can have a massive shunt and run the next session as body parts are cheap and easily replaced. That wouldn't happen in your EVO. You could have also run a kart, and it would have been cheaper. At least you would be racing, rather than running a couple events a year in the EVO. Yeah, if you want to run in a top level, national series, you could spend big bucks, but how do you know you can wipe the floor with the regional talent first? You are currently running against a handful of cars. If you are winning your first races, then believe me, there is no competition. It sounds like not running right now is getting to you, and I can understand as you want to race, but there were other options and there still are, maybe for next year.

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Jason