My Speed Factor in the US rally
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My Speed Factor in the US rally
My speed factor so far in the Rally in the US. Im so surpised i had to make a new thread if it's fine with you guys 
I was pleasantly surprised how high we made it. despite my car condition and our team experience. Mostly we runned the rally first time , and basically blind /no recce/ Just driving the book they give us, which is 70% wrong LOL
im on the second page around 21 th place. I thought i will be the last page some where around the last 10 guys. Based on how many rally we did and so on so forth..
http://www.nasarallysport.com/NRS-Speedfactors-Car.pdf
Im sure if this will be a trend i will be soon around the first page, specially with a new tune, finally rally tires - no abs - no snow springs on tarmac in the summer etc...

I was pleasantly surprised how high we made it. despite my car condition and our team experience. Mostly we runned the rally first time , and basically blind /no recce/ Just driving the book they give us, which is 70% wrong LOL
im on the second page around 21 th place. I thought i will be the last page some where around the last 10 guys. Based on how many rally we did and so on so forth..
http://www.nasarallysport.com/NRS-Speedfactors-Car.pdf
Im sure if this will be a trend i will be soon around the first page, specially with a new tune, finally rally tires - no abs - no snow springs on tarmac in the summer etc...
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I dont know either in the US. LOL
BUt has to do something with your speed on the stages /stage times/ and experience.
Now since i did a few rally , compare to others even below me, and my car speed which was literally maxed out around 90 mph on stage , based on that math , i thought i will be one of the last guys.
I think this is what they use when they line up the cars for a race. So we dont start passing each other, that is never nice... Just look up them up on Youtube /specially irish/ LOL
BUt has to do something with your speed on the stages /stage times/ and experience.
Now since i did a few rally , compare to others even below me, and my car speed which was literally maxed out around 90 mph on stage , based on that math , i thought i will be one of the last guys.
I think this is what they use when they line up the cars for a race. So we dont start passing each other, that is never nice... Just look up them up on Youtube /specially irish/ LOL
Thanks for sharing, just saw that I'm on there too! Totally shocked since I haven't run a rally since 2007 (my only one), and even more shocked to be on page one since we ran in a GTX. LOL
Dave
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the car has nothing to do with this list. Doug Shepperd runs SRT-4
He is a 17th on the list. The SRT-4 it smoked me, with him in it. LOLAlso that is mean , if we run a same event you will be lined up a front of me.
Last edited by Robevo RS; Feb 23, 2011 at 05:09 AM.
Agreed that the speedfactor doesn't care what kind of car you're in, but if u move to a faster car, isn't it likely one would be able to set better times? I can say without a doubt that the evo is at least 10 seconds a mile faster than the gtx based on our dirt hillclimb series back when I was running a FP White turbo.
Also a bit curious was the fact that I have friends who've run NASA events but weren't on the list.
Dave
Also a bit curious was the fact that I have friends who've run NASA events but weren't on the list.
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Agreed that the speedfactor doesn't care what kind of car you're in, but if u move to a faster car, isn't it likely one would be able to set better times? I can say without a doubt that the evo is at least 10 seconds a mile faster than the gtx based on our dirt hillclimb series back when I was running a FP White turbo.
Also a bit curious was the fact that I have friends who've run NASA events but weren't on the list.
Dave
Also a bit curious was the fact that I have friends who've run NASA events but weren't on the list.
Dave
Sure faster car should do a faster times with a same driver, but here is the drivers are positioned , not the cars.

Dave there is guys waaay above me , when i do rally im faster then them. I did run against another guy who is actually in a very nice position up there , but we never raced against each other. Only testing. ANd i got timed faster then him also.
So i dont really know how they got the list together. But i do have some DNF /mechanical/ so that might be put me down to a lower position too, also a very low number of rally i have done. No experience.
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I'll bet you're right about the mechanical issues. I'm sure they look at total time on the stages, so a flat or bent up steering arm that slows you on stages would likely factor in.
I lucked out that in my only event we didn't have any mechanicals, and except for the straight stages, we were battling for the lead. Doesn't mean all that much since we were the only Open car there...but it also meant that we were the only car forced to run a restrictor. We had a dogbox in the car and that in conjuntion with the restrictor powerband meant our top speed was only 110mph. Those 2wd turbo cars were hitting 135mph on the longer straights and the fact that Rally Idaho was tarmac the first year meant the 2wd guys had no trouble getting the power down.
Dave
I lucked out that in my only event we didn't have any mechanicals, and except for the straight stages, we were battling for the lead. Doesn't mean all that much since we were the only Open car there...but it also meant that we were the only car forced to run a restrictor. We had a dogbox in the car and that in conjuntion with the restrictor powerband meant our top speed was only 110mph. Those 2wd turbo cars were hitting 135mph on the longer straights and the fact that Rally Idaho was tarmac the first year meant the 2wd guys had no trouble getting the power down.
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I'll bet you're right about the mechanical issues. I'm sure they look at total time on the stages, so a flat or bent up steering arm that slows you on stages would likely factor in.
I lucked out that in my only event we didn't have any mechanicals, and except for the straight stages, we were battling for the lead. Doesn't mean all that much since we were the only Open car there...but it also meant that we were the only car forced to run a restrictor. We had a dogbox in the car and that in conjuntion with the restrictor powerband meant our top speed was only 110mph. Those 2wd turbo cars were hitting 135mph on the longer straights and the fact that Rally Idaho was tarmac the first year meant the 2wd guys had no trouble getting the power down.
Dave
I lucked out that in my only event we didn't have any mechanicals, and except for the straight stages, we were battling for the lead. Doesn't mean all that much since we were the only Open car there...but it also meant that we were the only car forced to run a restrictor. We had a dogbox in the car and that in conjuntion with the restrictor powerband meant our top speed was only 110mph. Those 2wd turbo cars were hitting 135mph on the longer straights and the fact that Rally Idaho was tarmac the first year meant the 2wd guys had no trouble getting the power down.
Dave
This sport is nothing but if - maybe and luck. SO it is always a BIG mistery whats going to happen.... Carlos Sainz ones he lost the WRC Championship about 500 meters before the finish. His Corolla burned down....
remember, who would dreamed that one up ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwltg...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd_gj-3kz7A
So how you will ever get bored of that.
Even if everything goes perfect, then you can have a pick up truck on your stage or a horse , to make it more interesting... LOL
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nope.
There is a different ideas for me to this year. RNY is fun , but costly and not soo much visibility. So i will do Hillclimbs, Probably NEFR and other two rally wich is RA more visibility, MT Washington hill climb if they let me.
I def. wanna run gravel this year. Looks like RKT fixed and solved the issue which was prevented me to run the gravel events. I might will do RNY on gravel and black river stages. I dont knwo yet . But i will do some rally around NY for sure this year.
Two weeks from now i will try the new brakes and engine tune in Thunderbolt with a Porsche club. I know i have a huge selfesteem with a 255 whp car ... right ?

And next year , i probably will run Canadian rallies more then US ones , if everything is comes together
There is a different ideas for me to this year. RNY is fun , but costly and not soo much visibility. So i will do Hillclimbs, Probably NEFR and other two rally wich is RA more visibility, MT Washington hill climb if they let me.
I def. wanna run gravel this year. Looks like RKT fixed and solved the issue which was prevented me to run the gravel events. I might will do RNY on gravel and black river stages. I dont knwo yet . But i will do some rally around NY for sure this year.
Two weeks from now i will try the new brakes and engine tune in Thunderbolt with a Porsche club. I know i have a huge selfesteem with a 255 whp car ... right ?

And next year , i probably will run Canadian rallies more then US ones , if everything is comes together
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the hill climb seeding is not that bad either, with a rally car, and one event, first time, i 'm on the 47th row /mid pack/ out of 112. 
i dont get this seeding either ... LOL
Must be that old english measurments like a feet etc...
http://www.kscc.org/results/kscc_2010_points.pdf

i dont get this seeding either ... LOL
Must be that old english measurments like a feet etc...
http://www.kscc.org/results/kscc_2010_points.pdf
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Ok Dave this is how they do it. Im still a little confused by it. Anyway here is Anders answere to the question from the guy . But i guess thats makes my position even better with my "DNF's" and no winning history yet, besides the small rally numbers i did. SO i must be on decent speed through the stages... LOL
"Two methods. Warning: both of my descriptions below are not technically perfectly accurate. So....
NRS: Basically (ignoring lots of math) the winner gets a 100. If you went 90% as fast as the winner, you get a 90.
RA: Basically (ignoring lots of math) the guy determined to be the average guy gets a 50. If you went 90% as fast as him, you get a 45.
With either method, there can be an almost never ending modification to attempt to account for surfaces, other competitors present, history, vehicles, dnfs, data age, etcetera.
Cheers,
Anders "
"Two methods. Warning: both of my descriptions below are not technically perfectly accurate. So....
NRS: Basically (ignoring lots of math) the winner gets a 100. If you went 90% as fast as the winner, you get a 90.
RA: Basically (ignoring lots of math) the guy determined to be the average guy gets a 50. If you went 90% as fast as him, you get a 45.
With either method, there can be an almost never ending modification to attempt to account for surfaces, other competitors present, history, vehicles, dnfs, data age, etcetera.
Cheers,
Anders "
Last edited by Robevo RS; Feb 27, 2011 at 11:31 AM.
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