Fast forward to 1:20 for Rally Strut

http://youtu.be/WMmTWEKv4xI

Shifting to other genres of motorsport, Bilstein has also turned their attention to the world of rally racing, oval track, and road racing applications with the unveiling of their new 36mm and 46mm universal Motorsports Struts, featuring inverted tube technology to provide race car builders a vast array of travel lengths and valving options. Each strut has a matched external housing that allows the builder to fabricate weld tabs for mounting the unit to a vehicles lower steering knuckle. As well, the supplied blank upper-stem can be custom machined down to fit a specific top mount or camber/caster plate.



$550 per corner for the kit. Still need to machine the top and build mounting ears.

 

very cool, i need to look into this more closely

 

There is no miracles in rally sport. If its cheap then that equals
-unrialable
-weak
-problems
-no results.

PERIOD. Bilstein or not.

If it will be a good unit it will cost a pretty penny for sure. Just like any other rally shocks.
But good to know they do it. I just warn people to don't get too exited because of the name only.

 

what happend to the price?

 

Sorry, the place I read the initial price in a post at Rally Anarchy: http://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,58581

A couple posts later the guy who posted apologized for "pre morning coffee posting". I'm not sure if it's official either way. I think he may have an inside scoop. I'm about to call Bilstein today and see what I can come up with.

 

If this made for rallyX ( USA) I can imagine to being perfect for that. With a right spring etc set up.

 

I spoke with Bilstein a couple hours ago and he was non committal about whether or not they will come out. He mentioned "if" they do it will be spring 2012. He mentioned they should be around $1500 for just the struts. He said I'll break the car before I'll break these struts and that they are from existing Bilstein off road parts from Baja type vehicles. I mentioned that they sound too good to be true. It was explained to me about the volume that Bilstein has throughout the world and that these were developed from existing parts that is why they are so inexpensive. The shop I plan on taking my car uses a similar Bilstein setup with 36mm shafts with 2.5 inch coilovers on a stage rally car. 46mm shafts with a 2.5 inch coilover seems pretty beefy to me. What am I missing here?

 

You know I heard that comment before... " I will brake a suspension before the car" that statment only a lone would make nervous... Since even the highest end rally coilovers can brake. I don't care they do baja etc. Rally IS different. There none seriously involved. Suspension company can say that with a straight face.
I had two different coiliver before with a same promise. Not ONE made through the first day in the rally. One did 4 stage the other...
I don't even want to talk about it.

I didn't really tested the AST on hard gravel yet, so even with that I have to take it easy to see how they will perform and hold up in the real hard gravel stage.

That comment makes me wonder , how much they actually do a stage rally with Evo's before... It is not a comment you want to really hear in a serios convertsation.

 

My gut told me the same thing. I'm a believer of "you get what you pay for". These will probably be a good option for doing rally cross if guys are having success with revalved Bisteins. I'll see what they will cost fully installed to see what makes more sense.

 

Keep in mind Bilstein isn't some upstart suspension company. They have a good reputation, especially in off-road circles.

I think rally suspension is so expensive simply because there isn't much volume world wide. I bought a set of Ohlins for my Evo, and I'd be willing to bet there are probably less than 10 sets of them in the entire US.

The parts JVAB uses for his rally stuff are offroad units repackaged to fit under production cars. Sounds like Bilstein is taking notice, since alot of the cars in the Southwest Rally Series sponsored by Bilstein are running JVAB suspenders.

Dave

 

Dave do not get this a wrong way , but at the shop where I am there is a couple of ohlins too. And I know a some around too. For rally. There is a lot more around then 10 set

I do not think the rally suspension is simple. Fact one of the most unique suspension set up you will ever come a cross . Specially because the versality - surdiness - adjustabilty + and responsivness.

I do think there is none other suspension have to the same overal tasks as the true rally suspension habve to. There for is a most complex suspension you can get.
I really want to get a new Reiger 4 way adjustable suspension. Then I hope I can intuduce you to see and try that one

Bielstien is actually make rally suspension a long time now. Al those kit lada's running them. BUT still if you want to be faster , they go for Reiger - proflex - Ohlins etc.
Those are the companies who makes a real deal.
Rob

 

I guess you might see more Evos competing than I get to see out here, but I guess outside of the Irish crew in NY, I'm only really aware of half a dozen Evos that are running rallies (Burke, Bacon, Kovalik, Wolfe - repo'd, LeStage, Rob). Figured that not all of them were on Ohlins, so that's where my guess came from. More rally Evo's is a good thing to underestimate.

The Bilstein is not intended to compete with Ohlins, Reiger, or Proflex. This is intended to be an entry level low-cost setup that's going to be sturdy enough to handle the rigors of rally competition. These aren't going to be adjustable...but you specify the valving you want when you order.

The top of the line stuff certainly has its place, but not everyone can blow $10-15,000 on the real deal stuff. I think this will fill the niche perfectly for guys who know they want to rally-x and think they might want to rally in the future. Besides, when those folks do step up to an adjustable damper, these Bilstein units would make for a good spares package to have back in the service truck.

Dave

 

I contacted sellholm tuning about their Bilstein setup. Here was there response:

"Yes we do a height adjustable Bilstein kit for the EVO X
with the 46/50 damper

Complete set front/rear with double springs system
made to take oe topmounts (not included) is SEK 20800-excl VAT

#GrN homologated spericaljointed topmounts 6700 for all corners
# Non homologated sperical jointed topmounts 4100 for all corners

This kit is made after your request concering damper and spring rate

Led time 3-4 from recipt of order."

That's around $3000. I'm not sure how these compare to these but I would imagine they are very similar. I'd be interested to hear from someone who is running these on an evo x.

 

Dave i think i came out different as i wanted to. It was an early morning on the bus with my BB ... LOL
I hear you and i do agree with you.

Hm morning mood is not always help on me ...


yeah there is some evo VI etc around here but they all sitting in the garage... I blame on the economy .
i am the only one who doesnt run ohlins. WHy?
Because of that money i can get Reiger and all my evo friends told me it is a much better option for the Evo>
Right now i am waiting for some used Reiger show up somewhere and i will hunt it down as a hawk.
RKT can rebuild it for me and i am golden

 

Hey Robevo, any opinion on RS&SP? I'm considering their gravel rally suspension.