Perrin PSRS Help
#16
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Does it move while mounted in the control arm? I ask because one of mine was a TINY bit loose. Once I installed it into the arm, that went away. Not sure if that applies to your situation or not.
The only drawback I've found is my wheel is farther forward than I'd like. My camber plates bring the top back a bit but not enough to counter how far forward the PSRS put the wheel.
The only drawback I've found is my wheel is farther forward than I'd like. My camber plates bring the top back a bit but not enough to counter how far forward the PSRS put the wheel.
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im the oddball out running the super pro offset bushing (spherica encased in poly) in evo x control arms on my 9. at -3.8 degrees of camber my car measures out at 4 degrees of caster on the left and 4.5 on the right.
i had a track related failure of one bushing after a curb strike on track. however, i feel that it was an install related failure thanks to the shop that pressed them using too much heat causing the poly to cleanly release from the outer metal sleeve when twisting force was applied.
that being said, i was sent new bushings under warranty, only replaced the failed one, and have beaten on it at watkins glen, NJMP and VIR without issue from either bushing.
i had a track related failure of one bushing after a curb strike on track. however, i feel that it was an install related failure thanks to the shop that pressed them using too much heat causing the poly to cleanly release from the outer metal sleeve when twisting force was applied.
that being said, i was sent new bushings under warranty, only replaced the failed one, and have beaten on it at watkins glen, NJMP and VIR without issue from either bushing.
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with more caster setting from PSRS, it push the wheel forward and the tires will chewing up the fender liners, if you run 275 tires. but i have camber/caster plates on top also which move to top back. so my wheel end up back in the center anyways.
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But now that I think about it, spacer on top or bottom is what provides for anti-lift/anti-dive. Therefore the WL pieces also provide this functionality.
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well it doesnt hurt to have a dust boot on spherical bearing, especially on a daily driver. tolerance is tight for large debris but fine dust could still get in between. oem bearing have dust boot on rear control arm.
with more caster setting from PSRS, it push the wheel forward and the tires will chewing up the fender liners, if you run 275 tires. but i have camber/caster plates on top also which move to top back. so my wheel end up back in the center anyways.
with more caster setting from PSRS, it push the wheel forward and the tires will chewing up the fender liners, if you run 275 tires. but i have camber/caster plates on top also which move to top back. so my wheel end up back in the center anyways.
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What do you mean by the pivot point being at the control arm? The easiest way to picture caster is thinking of rake on a basic motorcycle vs something like a chopper where the front suspension is further forward aka more caster.
Now plates vs the donut bushing on the LCA both add caster but do it in a different manor. The bushing will move the wheel forward from the bottom and the plates will move the top of the strut backwards towards the firewall thus also adding additional caster while balancing out the offset from the bottom. I don't know how much caster the Vorshlag plates add however I will say that my Ciro Design Racing plates in conjunction with the PSRS centered my wheel just about perfectly.
Now plates vs the donut bushing on the LCA both add caster but do it in a different manor. The bushing will move the wheel forward from the bottom and the plates will move the top of the strut backwards towards the firewall thus also adding additional caster while balancing out the offset from the bottom. I don't know how much caster the Vorshlag plates add however I will say that my Ciro Design Racing plates in conjunction with the PSRS centered my wheel just about perfectly.
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i have the TougeFactory top camber/caster plate. with the top plate moving back and the PSRS moving forward, my wheel is pretty center like factory. im using that plate on my ohlins RT now.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/pr...ml#post9828634
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/pr...ml#post9828634
#23
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What do you mean by the pivot point being at the control arm? The easiest way to picture caster is thinking of rake on a basic motorcycle vs something like a chopper where the front suspension is further forward aka more caster.
Now plates vs the donut bushing on the LCA both add caster but do it in a different manor. The bushing will move the wheel forward from the bottom and the plates will move the top of the strut backwards towards the firewall thus also adding additional caster while balancing out the offset from the bottom. I don't know how much caster the Vorshlag plates add however I will say that my Ciro Design Racing plates in conjunction with the PSRS centered my wheel just about perfectly.
Now plates vs the donut bushing on the LCA both add caster but do it in a different manor. The bushing will move the wheel forward from the bottom and the plates will move the top of the strut backwards towards the firewall thus also adding additional caster while balancing out the offset from the bottom. I don't know how much caster the Vorshlag plates add however I will say that my Ciro Design Racing plates in conjunction with the PSRS centered my wheel just about perfectly.
By pivoting from the control arm, I mean that yes: the bushing moves the arm forward X amount of mm. But if I move the camber plate back the same amount, it's not equal because I'm pivoting the arm from the ball joint on the control arm, so there is a ratio.
I'm curious to know how many mm up top = the amount the bottom has moved.
I'm not sure what the math is on that.
**edit, i suck at explaining things so here's a picture of how i picture it LOL. Am I wrong?
Last edited by kaj; Jul 8, 2016 at 05:19 PM.
#24
i have the TougeFactory top camber/caster plate. with the top plate moving back and the PSRS moving forward, my wheel is pretty center like factory. im using that plate on my ohlins RT now.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/pr...ml#post9828634
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/pr...ml#post9828634
Fender liners? Long gone. Hot sticky Hoosiers A's and them don't mix with 275's mounted.
#25
Pressed the Spherical out and got some measurements:
It measures:
Ball ID 0.750
Ball Face-Face 1.278
Race OD 1.562
Race Width 0.6205
Which seems to be an exact match for this Aurora part:
http://cad.aurorabearing.com/item/ro...ings/hab-12t-2
Which is $41 herre:
http://www.roadraceparts.com/aurora-...w-1-280-h-620/
So two fresh bearings for $82 and they will be as good as new.
It measures:
Ball ID 0.750
Ball Face-Face 1.278
Race OD 1.562
Race Width 0.6205
Which seems to be an exact match for this Aurora part:
http://cad.aurorabearing.com/item/ro...ings/hab-12t-2
Which is $41 herre:
http://www.roadraceparts.com/aurora-...w-1-280-h-620/
So two fresh bearings for $82 and they will be as good as new.
#27
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Pressed the Spherical out and got some measurements:
It measures:
Ball ID 0.750
Ball Face-Face 1.278
Race OD 1.562
Race Width 0.6205
Which seems to be an exact match for this Aurora part:
http://cad.aurorabearing.com/item/ro...ings/hab-12t-2
Which is $41 herre:
http://www.roadraceparts.com/aurora-...w-1-280-h-620/
So two fresh bearings for $82 and they will be as good as new.
It measures:
Ball ID 0.750
Ball Face-Face 1.278
Race OD 1.562
Race Width 0.6205
Which seems to be an exact match for this Aurora part:
http://cad.aurorabearing.com/item/ro...ings/hab-12t-2
Which is $41 herre:
http://www.roadraceparts.com/aurora-...w-1-280-h-620/
So two fresh bearings for $82 and they will be as good as new.
This thread is now book marked.
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Last edited by kaj; Jul 9, 2016 at 01:20 PM.
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Nice. Petition a mod to sticky this thread so I can find it when mine wear out lol