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Old Jun 18, 2018, 01:06 PM
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maybe the check valve is only designed for a certain level of near-stock boost?
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Old Jun 19, 2018, 06:45 PM
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Likely both. I was looking back at my last video and unfort that boost sensor didn't log negative pressure like my current one does. That and due to the issue I was purposely lifting early so I can see 0.00 boost for a second before I hit the brakes. I'd also be curious exactly how much vac the booster "requires" to function.
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Old Jun 20, 2018, 07:38 AM
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I replaced OEM check valve line with new OEM check valve line awhile ago.

Never thought about the The turbo or blow off valve effecting problem.

Bought a vacuum pump. Will install and test. Will look for a higher caliber check valve. If doesn’t work, then I will just go to manual brakes.
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maybe i was reading too quick and misunderstood some replies, but dry sump and crank case pressure shouldn't have anything to do with it. brake boost gets vac from intake manifold when throttle body is closed. evo 9 have cable throttle, so when you let off throttle, the throttle should close instantly and create vac in intake manifold, even if the rpm doesn't drop quickly. if anything the higher the rpm while throttle is closed, the more vac there is in the manifold. so heel toe while braking will created more vac. i late brake on every corner, from gas to brake instantly, never had hard pedals. only time i feel hard pedal is left foot brake while still on gas to scrub speed on some corners. you said the problem is worse at higher boost, maybe try to double up the check valve, install two oem check valve in the line.

if you have a boost gauge in the car or logger, can you see how fast it goes into vac when you let off the throttle from full boost. what ever vac your intake mani see the brake booster should see at the same time.

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Old Jun 29, 2018, 08:57 AM
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you can see the boost gauge in my vid, the red gauge on the left, how quick it goes into vac as soon as i let off the throttle. and the vac is higher during engine brake, then jump as i blip the throttle for heel toe.

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Old Jun 29, 2018, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by honda-guy
maybe i was reading too quick and misunderstood some replies, but dry sump and crank case pressure shouldn't have anything to do with it. brake boost gets vac from intake manifold when throttle body is closed. evo 9 have cable throttle, so when you let off throttle, the throttle should close instantly and create vac in intake manifold, even if the rpm doesn't drop quickly. if anything the higher the rpm while throttle is closed, the more vac there is in the manifold. so heel toe while braking will created more vac. i late brake on every corner, from gas to brake instantly, never had hard pedals. only time i feel hard pedal is left foot brake while still on gas to scrub speed on some corners. you said the problem is worse at higher boost, maybe try to double up the check valve, install two oem check valve in the line.

if you have a boost gauge in the car or logger, can you see how fast the it goes into vac when you let off the throttle from full boost. what ever vac your intake mani see the brake booster should see at the same time.
good points.

based on what you said then, you think it could be the throttle body sticking a little? That's the only thing that would make sense to me at this point?
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Check for vac leaks as well.
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Originally Posted by kyoo
good points.

based on what you said then, you think it could be the throttle body sticking a little? That's the only thing that would make sense to me at this point?
yeah possible throttle stick, but that should happen at any boost level, not just high boost.

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Check for vac leaks as well.
a vac leak would also make the car idle high.
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How much pressure does it take to keep out TBs open? Seems like a lot.. but If a turbo is flowing enough CFM @ 28-30psi and the DV isn't venting fast enough.....? Just throwing out unlikely "what-ifs", since it doesn't seem to be a "normal" problem.
I think we discussed the throttle cable earlier and that was ruled out.
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Old Jul 5, 2018, 03:42 PM
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Electronic brake vacuum booster



My builder Bracen, #FrostyTune, installed this electronic vacuum pump. Pretty cool. Not sure what it will do, but testing at COTA soon. The long straight should provide the ideal test for this.
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damn quite extensive.
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Old Jul 5, 2018, 09:11 PM
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What's up with the aquarium tubing?
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Old Jul 6, 2018, 07:34 AM
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yeah need thicker vac line so they don't collapse, they get soft especially inside the hot engine bay. those lines are more rated for positive pressure, not vac.
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Old Jul 6, 2018, 08:30 AM
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Really? They are pretty hard. I’ll circle back and double check. Thanks for tip.
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I personally wouldn't trust anyone that used aquarium tubing in my engine bay but that's just me. Like Honda-Guy stated, get some proper tubing made specifically for that task and the heat it sees.

Odd choice considering the actual setup.


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