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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 03:35 PM
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you telling me he has a built motor?
haha, no not yet. what autobon is trying to say is that because i have ripped everything in my car apart literally every other night i have been able to show him alot about the 4g63. seeing how he has come from the vw world vr6 motors are what he is more familiar with... but there are plans to build it with a larger turbo in the future just not really any time soon.
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 04:21 PM
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Hmm...that's definitely 20-30whp lower than what I'd expect your car to put down on a Dynojet for sure. Who had the highest dynoing Evo of the day?
My car put down 245 @ 6400 whp and 280ish tq. stock not broken in.
300 miles on the car
I'll post it as soon as I get out of class



here it is... but I don't think it is very accurate 290ish tq. reading?
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by forum04pl
haha, no not yet. what autobon is trying to say is that because i have ripped everything in my car apart literally every other night i have been able to show him alot about the 4g63. seeing how he has come from the vw world vr6 motors are what he is more familiar with... but there are plans to build it with a larger turbo in the future just not really any time soon.
thats what i meant.
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Evo_Bill
My car put down 245 @ 6400 whp and 280ish tq. stock not broken in.
300 miles on the car
I'll post it as soon as I get out of class



here it is... but I don't think it is very accurate 290ish tq. reading?
something is definitely screwed up with the torque readings. sounds like the HP is dead on, but all you guys are about 30-35wtq too high IMO. not saying anything negative about your cars, just pointing out that the torque numbers seem inaccurate. Sap's car put down 352wtq...I don't know what mods he has but those are definitely some of the highest torque numbers I've ever seen, assuming he has the typical cammed evo.

I'm gonna run Pierre as soon as he gets his license back...and pray that I don't lose mine in the process and we'll find out
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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to clarify the tq readings for this dyno i was told by jon the owner of tdc awhile ago that his dyno takes a second to catch up to read correctly and the tq jumps right when it trys to catch up, the actual tq readings are where the tq evens out. as you will see on any dyno graph from his dyno the tq will read very high for a few hundred rpms then it will drop quick and flatten out. where the tq flattens out is the acutal tq reading. an example would be evo bill's dyno graph. his realistic tq reading would be about 250ish
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by forum04pl
to clarify the tq readings for this dyno i was told by jon the owner of tdc awhile ago that his dyno takes a second to catch up to read correctly and the tq jumps right when it trys to catch up, the actual tq readings are where the tq evens out. as you will see on any dyno graph from his dyno the tq will read very high for a few hundred rpms then it will drop quick and flatten out. where the tq flattens out is the acutal tq reading. an example would be evo bill's dyno graph. his realistic tq reading would be about 250ish
that is off the old calibrations

the new one
is dead on
my dyno reads torque
anything dynoed after mid August(i think)
is dead on

again dont use dynojets BS numbers to get what a car can make for power
my charts are identical in shape to a Dyno dynamics
which is also a loadable dyno

My dyno measures actual torque at the wheels
then factors RPM to make HP
the new charts are right based on all the dynos i have done
Be it a GT35R sti, cammed evos , porsche 996 X50 TT, etc etc
i have spent months getting this dyno to be absolutely correct and
reliable. a stock WRX puts down 180 tq and 171 whp. That is well within reason as it makes 225hp @ the crank and 220 ftlbs @ the crank
the drive train makes for a bit more torque @ the wheels
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TDC tuning
My dyno measures actual torque at the wheels
then factors RPM to make HP
the new charts are right based on all the dynos i have done
Be it a GT35R sti, cammed evos , porsche 996 X50 TT, etc etc
i have spent months getting this dyno to be absolutely correct and
reliable. a stock WRX puts down 180 tq and 171 whp. That is well within reason as it makes 225hp @ the crank and 220 ftlbs @ the crank
the drive train makes for a bit more torque @ the wheels
Again, not trying to insult or flame, just being inquisitive...

How do you explain the stock Evo putting down 290wtq? Taking a 20% drive line loss, he's putting out over 360lb ft of torque...clearly WAY too high, even if Mitsu did some underrating.

You say that your dyno is dead on, compared to what? Usually the guys running Mustang dynos, etc, can come up with a percentage that their dyno reads different from a dynojet. While your HP numbers seem to match Dynojet numbers, the torque doesn't. This doesn't make sense to me.
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by anjapower
Again, not trying to insult or flame, just being inquisitive...

How do you explain the stock Evo putting down 290wtq? Taking a 20% drive line loss, he's putting out over 360lb ft of torque...clearly WAY too high, even if Mitsu did some underrating.

You say that your dyno is dead on, compared to what? Usually the guys running Mustang dynos, etc, can come up with a percentage that their dyno reads different from a dynojet. While your HP numbers seem to match Dynojet numbers, the torque doesn't. This doesn't make sense to me.
Anj-

That date on the posted graph was from early August, i take it before the calibrations were finished (from what TDC Tuning posted), so maybe these were the same settings that gave Carbonics ~350 whp with basic mods.

i don't think this dyno graph was from yesterday.

i would, however, like to know what a stock evo puts down on the calibrated dyno...just for curiosity's sake.

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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 06:39 AM
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Anj-

That date on the posted graph was from early August, i take it before the calibrations were finished (from what TDC Tuning posted), so maybe these were the same settings that gave Carbonics ~350 whp with basic mods.

i don't think this dyno graph was from yesterday.

i would, however, like to know what a stock evo puts down on the calibrated dyno...just for curiosity's sake.
you are correct
bills dyno is before i had it calibrated again
to use Tq split measuring and what not.

Trust me anjapower there is SO much to dyno software and calibrations that i could never type it out.

if you want Dyno jet readings i can make it read like a dynojet
but comparing dynocharts is assinine and you all should know that by now
you can dyno the same car on a DJ in CT and one in MD and they WILL be different posibely 10-15% different

the idea is to dyno on ONE dyno every time and not run around to 30 differnt ones

KTR's DD w a WRX i did makes 218 whp and on mine it makes 237
Roughtly 10 % higher

but again Mustangs ae "lower" and Dynojets are "higher"

a dyno isnt a marketing tool (although it has become one)
its a TUNING tool If you roll in w 200 whp and roll out w 260
you MADE power regardless of the actual #

Comparing dyno # is useless
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 05:42 PM
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i though mustangs read higher then dyno dynamics? oh well as u said comparing dyno number are useless

When do we get our dyno sheets? or how do we get our sheets?
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 06:05 PM
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i though mustangs read higher then dyno dynamics? oh well as u said comparing dyno number are useless

When do we get our dyno sheets? or how do we get our sheets?
I have to go thru and make JPG's of the charts for all 19 cars
the shop is trying to flood today so i was busy kicking the waters ***

ill be in early tomorrow
and ill upload them all to the server for you guys and provide a link!!
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 06:08 PM
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oh wow thanks! hope the shops okay!
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 06:23 PM
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oh wow thanks! hope the shops okay!
Me 2
i have to go backin a bit to check the situation

/me grabs his bathing suit
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 07:44 PM
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good luck with the shop...i imagine that being at the bottom of that lot does not help the situation
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 08:04 PM
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OMG pierre your not a newbie anymore!!! look at you growing up!
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