Bike riders...
600CC bike isnt too small, I had a buddy ride a r6 for years and he was 300+lbs @ 6'3".
You also live in kent make sure you lock that up when you are not home.. hell lock it up even when you are home.. tis the season for stolen bikes.
You also live in kent make sure you lock that up when you are not home.. hell lock it up even when you are home.. tis the season for stolen bikes.
Get an older (2004?) yzf 600r or an inteceptor. Especially if you're a bigger guy. They are sporty yet easier over long distance. Not to mention cheaper then an r6 or cbr. And if you want a little more power than a 600, the inteceptor comes as an 800. I personally own an 02 yzf 600r and I love it. Its got a jet kit, slip on, new undertail, chain and sprocket, and lots of other stuff like a shift kit to fix yamaha's second gear problem. But its a great bike. 0 to 60 in 3.5. And I've done 2000 miles in 3 days on it with only a slightly sore ****.
Squids
Sounds like a flock of would be squids on the evo forums. Don't worry I'll be there to laugh at you along with the rest of the sport bike community when you buy an R1 or a busa as your first bike. 
Seriously, people who say "you'll out grow a 600 hundred in a month" are usually the guys who ride around in flip flops, shorts, shirtless with only a helmet, only seen people ride, or have a friend that rides. Most riders I know admit, even with 10+ years of experience, can't ride a 1000 to its full potential. Alot of people I been riding with race on the track, most with sponsors. You buy an racing bike like a cbr and an R6 it will kick you in the *** if you treat it like a normal bike. They are no joke. Also your height and weight has some factor but it deals with adjusting the suspension and finding the right bike.. you don't need a ZX-14 if you weigh over 300 pounds. Most bikes, even street bikes, are built where they can handle two hefty riders. Ask what the max weight limit on a bike that you're looking into.
Rule of thumb, buy your gear before you buy the bike. WA is starting to require everyone be endorced for motorcycles besides having just a liscense. For the class you will need gear. Don't show up in skater shoes or they will turn you around and send you home. A couple people on the thread seem to have their act together with street bikes, but don't listen to the squids who tell you to go out and buy outright a high powered racing bike. 600ccs is the highest you should go for a starter bike.. just get some slider pegs for the frame for when you dump it and be prepaired to take a beating..
Also be aware that bike theft is on the rise because its summer. If you buy one.. make sure if you live in a shady area to garage it or buy a hefty motorbike lock and get the lowjack option. To many threads are poppin up already about people's bikes commin up missin on my riding forum.

Seriously, people who say "you'll out grow a 600 hundred in a month" are usually the guys who ride around in flip flops, shorts, shirtless with only a helmet, only seen people ride, or have a friend that rides. Most riders I know admit, even with 10+ years of experience, can't ride a 1000 to its full potential. Alot of people I been riding with race on the track, most with sponsors. You buy an racing bike like a cbr and an R6 it will kick you in the *** if you treat it like a normal bike. They are no joke. Also your height and weight has some factor but it deals with adjusting the suspension and finding the right bike.. you don't need a ZX-14 if you weigh over 300 pounds. Most bikes, even street bikes, are built where they can handle two hefty riders. Ask what the max weight limit on a bike that you're looking into.
Rule of thumb, buy your gear before you buy the bike. WA is starting to require everyone be endorced for motorcycles besides having just a liscense. For the class you will need gear. Don't show up in skater shoes or they will turn you around and send you home. A couple people on the thread seem to have their act together with street bikes, but don't listen to the squids who tell you to go out and buy outright a high powered racing bike. 600ccs is the highest you should go for a starter bike.. just get some slider pegs for the frame for when you dump it and be prepaired to take a beating..
Also be aware that bike theft is on the rise because its summer. If you buy one.. make sure if you live in a shady area to garage it or buy a hefty motorbike lock and get the lowjack option. To many threads are poppin up already about people's bikes commin up missin on my riding forum.
Last edited by Evogelion; May 21, 2008 at 01:56 PM.
I have been riding bikes since i was 12 years old....no not the Huffy
....but i think since you are a first time rider, go with something that you can learn on and wont hurt the pocket when you make dumb rookie mistakes and drop the bike. I recommend a 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R. It looks great, it fast and its a great bike. The cost out the door is $3900. The platform been around forever and there are thousands of mods you can do to make is stupid fast. Its also great on gas milage....60mpg!?! After you get done with it, keep it or give it to you wife or g/f and then get a 600. Most people don't even use the full potential of a 600. But if you want to get the 600 and dont care about spending a bit more money, get a CBR 600RR or Kawasaki ZX-6R. I dont care too much for the Gixxer since i have owned about 2 of them in the past, i am kind a sick of it but still a great bike. The Yamaha R6 is also a great bike but way over priced and its a handfull to ride in the street since it all top end. Make a good decision and ride safe.
....but i think since you are a first time rider, go with something that you can learn on and wont hurt the pocket when you make dumb rookie mistakes and drop the bike. I recommend a 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R. It looks great, it fast and its a great bike. The cost out the door is $3900. The platform been around forever and there are thousands of mods you can do to make is stupid fast. Its also great on gas milage....60mpg!?! After you get done with it, keep it or give it to you wife or g/f and then get a 600. Most people don't even use the full potential of a 600. But if you want to get the 600 and dont care about spending a bit more money, get a CBR 600RR or Kawasaki ZX-6R. I dont care too much for the Gixxer since i have owned about 2 of them in the past, i am kind a sick of it but still a great bike. The Yamaha R6 is also a great bike but way over priced and its a handfull to ride in the street since it all top end. Make a good decision and ride safe.I have been riding for awhile now... this my friend... is the best advice you can get from anybody that ride for real... and the harderest to follow... 1000cc are for old man like myself to show off wealth... if you really wantto ride, conner and use them tires... 250 is a good starter bike... 600 would be a good trainer bike... then you will get old like me and slow down and buy a 1000 so other wont race you... hahahahahaha...
Alarms are a flat waste of time on a motorcycle. Unlike a car, the ignition wires are easily accessable after removing a cover or two on just about all bikes, not to mention the overall weight of a bike doesn't keep someone from throwing it in the back of a truck. A typical sportbike is around 400 lbs, and distributed well enough where two people can easily load one in a pickup without a ramp.
Sounds like a flock of would be squids on the evo forums. Don't worry I'll be there to laugh at you along with the rest of the sport bike community when you buy an R1 or a busa as your first bike. 
Seriously, people who say "you'll out grow a 600 hundred in a month" are usually the guys who ride around in flip flops, shorts, shirtless with only a helmet, only seen people ride, or have a friend that rides. Most riders I know admit, even with 10+ years of experience, can't ride a 1000 to its full potential. Alot of people I been riding with race on the track, most with sponsors. You buy an racing bike like a cbr and an R6 it will kick you in the *** if you treat it like a normal bike. They are no joke. Also your height and weight has some factor but it deals with adjusting the suspension and finding the right bike.. you don't need a ZX-14 if you weigh over 300 pounds. Most bikes, even street bikes, are built where they can handle two hefty riders. Ask what the max weight limit on a bike that you're looking into.
Rule of thumb, buy your gear before you buy the bike. WA is starting to require everyone be endorced for motorcycles besides having just a liscense. For the class you will need gear. Don't show up in skater shoes or they will turn you around and send you home. A couple people on the thread seem to have their act together with street bikes, but don't listen to the squids who tell you to go out and buy outright a high powered racing bike. 600ccs is the highest you should go for a starter bike.. just get some slider pegs for the frame for when you dump it and be prepaired to take a beating..
Also be aware that bike theft is on the rise because its summer. If you buy one.. make sure if you live in a shady area to garage it or buy a hefty motorbike lock and get the lowjack option. To many threads are poppin up already about people's bikes commin up missin on my riding forum.

Seriously, people who say "you'll out grow a 600 hundred in a month" are usually the guys who ride around in flip flops, shorts, shirtless with only a helmet, only seen people ride, or have a friend that rides. Most riders I know admit, even with 10+ years of experience, can't ride a 1000 to its full potential. Alot of people I been riding with race on the track, most with sponsors. You buy an racing bike like a cbr and an R6 it will kick you in the *** if you treat it like a normal bike. They are no joke. Also your height and weight has some factor but it deals with adjusting the suspension and finding the right bike.. you don't need a ZX-14 if you weigh over 300 pounds. Most bikes, even street bikes, are built where they can handle two hefty riders. Ask what the max weight limit on a bike that you're looking into.
Rule of thumb, buy your gear before you buy the bike. WA is starting to require everyone be endorced for motorcycles besides having just a liscense. For the class you will need gear. Don't show up in skater shoes or they will turn you around and send you home. A couple people on the thread seem to have their act together with street bikes, but don't listen to the squids who tell you to go out and buy outright a high powered racing bike. 600ccs is the highest you should go for a starter bike.. just get some slider pegs for the frame for when you dump it and be prepaired to take a beating..
Also be aware that bike theft is on the rise because its summer. If you buy one.. make sure if you live in a shady area to garage it or buy a hefty motorbike lock and get the lowjack option. To many threads are poppin up already about people's bikes commin up missin on my riding forum.
The problem with a 600 that you don't have on a racetrack is they're EXTREMELY gutless in the low RPM's. This makes town/freeway riding a pain in the ***. Any motorcycle rider, and instructing class in Washington St. will tell you, you need to ride agressive, and treat traffic as they do NOT see you, you're invisibile is the safest way to play. Needing to move up a car length in traffic to make yourself visible is a simple blip of the throttle on something other than a 600. A 600 is going to require a downshift or two just at a LEGAL highway speed.
My girlfriend rides a CBR 600 F4i and I have a CBR 900, so I have to very good comparisons of the different sizes of engines. Twins and 4 cylinder bikes have totally different torque curves, and the torque curve of any 600 is all in the upper end, over 10k RPM's. On the larger 4 cylinders, the bigger the bore, the lower the torque curve starts, giving you more usable power thru the RPM range. While on a track a 600 works great because you're never below 10k RPM, on the street, it makes for impractical riding.
On the otherhand, A busa for example... There was one in my Novice class that had 250+ bhp according to the owner. He was ALWAYS first into turn one, and the LAST one out of it. Any of the 1000+ cc bikes are too large to meet what I consider a 'sport bike' criteria. The engines and the bikes themselves are simply too wide and heavy to be nimble. A wide bike has a lower angle of deflection, and since a bike has to be leaned to turn, they can't go as low as a smaller 'sport bike'.
If you're buying new, and if you have any riding experience at all, I would NOT suggest a 600 by anymeans. Nor would I suggest an R1/GSX-R 1000, etc, etc, etc.
And it's been the law in Washington State that all motorcycle riders must have an endorsement. That law's been in place for at least the 17 years I've been driving. The only thing they've changed in the last few years was there is no longer 'classes' of endorsements, 1 endorsement covers ALL sizes of 2 wheeled vehicles.
Last edited by GTisRule; May 22, 2008 at 10:07 AM. Reason: Legal parts on endorsements
So you don't recommend a 600 because its gutless, and you don't recommend a 1000 because its too much to be practical on the street? The big four kind of only make those sizes so what does that leave your recommendation at? I guess that would leave the GSXR 750 as his only option in the sport bike category?
I dont know a whole lot about bikes but I do know some and as far as I know of the big four manufacturers there's nothing (other than 750) between the 600 and the 1000. I have been considering a bike too however being 22 and about to graduate college I don't think I am in a smart place financially to be getting a bike. That and being a typical 22 yr old guy I am pretty convinced I would only be making myself an organ donor.
R1 for a first bike? thats the stupidest thing i have heard
I learnt on the gsxr 600.. not too bad. If u planing on doing track time, R6 is the way to go, forget the gixxer 600
gl and wear ur gear
I learnt on the gsxr 600.. not too bad. If u planing on doing track time, R6 is the way to go, forget the gixxer 600
gl and wear ur gear


