Fp green 73hta
This is what I was looking for. You don't have any BBK's on your dynojet though? Would like to see those numbers for comparison. More so for one particular car to progress from one turbo to another. Can you post results if you ever get a BBK full to a HTA Green plz?
The OP will be here this friday for some dynotime with his pump/meth car and depending on what we come up with maybe the HTA Green so we can get some back to back. As I recall his car has put down 380ish as it sits on pump meth (always lower than straight racegas or E85) but it will still give us some usable data I think to compare if nothing else changes.aaron
Last edited by JohnBradley; Jun 29, 2009 at 09:30 PM.
I'll be more than happy to be a guinea pig when I'm down at ER running numbers on a Red! 
I re-read the posts too and there is definitely what can be read as "calling out" and sarcasm by cc. Meanwhile, I see Aaron (JohnBradley) standing by his shop while stating facts. That being said, it is easy to read into words on a screen when there may not be anything there. I guess the difference is that I have spoken a lot with Aaron (much to his chagrin, probably) while most of us probably haven't spoken with you, cc.
I think Chad and John said it best. To paraphrase, these are all great turbos and each one applies differently to specific customer's needs. I do really like how Chad is always the first to point out how great FP turbos are and the turnaround time on the BBKs sound impressive!
I re-read the posts too and there is definitely what can be read as "calling out" and sarcasm by cc. Meanwhile, I see Aaron (JohnBradley) standing by his shop while stating facts. That being said, it is easy to read into words on a screen when there may not be anything there. I guess the difference is that I have spoken a lot with Aaron (much to his chagrin, probably) while most of us probably haven't spoken with you, cc.
I think Chad and John said it best. To paraphrase, these are all great turbos and each one applies differently to specific customer's needs. I do really like how Chad is always the first to point out how great FP turbos are and the turnaround time on the BBKs sound impressive!
Even though I am pretty optimistic of the HTA green I think the airflow numbers might not exactly translate into the extra power on pump atleast. I just don't see a HTA Green putting down 480whp on pump when a BBK puts down 420whp if you factor in 1lb=10hp. Going by that theory on pump the FP Red would just murder the BBK which is doesn't on pump. Their numbers are consistently within 10-20whp of each other. On E85 and high boost the Red pulls away when you are ACTUALLY using that extra airflow. Their are plently of dyno's that have had both the BBK and Fpred on their with little difference as far as pump numbers go and I would place money the HTA Green will be close as well. Also seems their are too many dyno numbers being mistakenly compared.
CBRD=low reading mustang
GST=low reading mustang
ER=dynojet
So comparing numbers between the three are almost worthless as those dyno's read very different. CBRD and GST read close but then again different climate and different gas. I think the HTA green will put out better numbers than the BBK but how much? I bet both will be very close on pump which some still run.
CBRD=low reading mustang
GST=low reading mustang
ER=dynojet
So comparing numbers between the three are almost worthless as those dyno's read very different. CBRD and GST read close but then again different climate and different gas. I think the HTA green will put out better numbers than the BBK but how much? I bet both will be very close on pump which some still run.
Arron, I hope to maybe put 400AWHP down on Friday with my boost leaks fixed and running 1,000cc meth fogger instead of my 500cc and your famous tune. My timing needs some help too! Also The wife just approved for the HTA Green or the Red. I need your help on which one to get since I have stock bottom end but Want 500+ in the loong run after I do my 2.2 build next summer. I will be running pump for now if I go with the HTA Green or the Red. If I left my meth on I think I would have to much power for the bottom end and my 6speed. With meth the HTA Green would be around 475 and Red around 520ish. Give me some insight on what I should do right now. You know my car so can you give me a rough pump gas number for both the HTA Green and Red if I decide to go with just pump for now? HELP lol I want to order by the 15th.
With 99 in the 1/8 on 93 in a full weight car, I think this turbo will do what you are looking for. I am superstitious though and dont like saying power numbers outloud...it angers the God of Horsepower. The main thing is I havent tested a Red except on E85.
We made 544 on it with what I think is a road race tune so its not maxing it out at 31psi. I have seen Switzer's numbers on the HTA Green but I have not seen one in person so I have no frame of reference. I think that since Ryon's car is doing 408+ on 92 on an "old" Green that we can do more with new technology.
I dont like deadlines but I will see what I can drum up for some more info
We made 544 on it with what I think is a road race tune so its not maxing it out at 31psi. I have seen Switzer's numbers on the HTA Green but I have not seen one in person so I have no frame of reference. I think that since Ryon's car is doing 408+ on 92 on an "old" Green that we can do more with new technology.
I dont like deadlines but I will see what I can drum up for some more info
With 99 in the 1/8 on 93 in a full weight car, I think this turbo will do what you are looking for. I am superstitious though and dont like saying power numbers outloud...it angers the God of Horsepower. The main thing is I havent tested a Red except on E85.
We made 544 on it with what I think is a road race tune so its not maxing it out at 31psi. I have seen Switzer's numbers on the HTA Green but I have not seen one in person so I have no frame of reference. I think that since Ryon's car is doing 408+ on 92 on an "old" Green that we can do more with new technology.
I dont like deadlines but I will see what I can drum up for some more info
We made 544 on it with what I think is a road race tune so its not maxing it out at 31psi. I have seen Switzer's numbers on the HTA Green but I have not seen one in person so I have no frame of reference. I think that since Ryon's car is doing 408+ on 92 on an "old" Green that we can do more with new technology.
I dont like deadlines but I will see what I can drum up for some more info
I'll be more than happy to be a guinea pig when I'm down at ER running numbers on a Red!
I re-read the posts too and there is definitely what can be read as "calling out" and sarcasm by cc. Meanwhile, I see Aaron (JohnBradley) standing by his shop while stating facts. That being said, it is easy to read into words on a screen when there may not be anything there. I guess the difference is that I have spoken a lot with Aaron (much to his chagrin, probably) while most of us probably haven't spoken with you, cc.
I think Chad and John said it best. To paraphrase, these are all great turbos and each one applies differently to specific customer's needs. I do really like how Chad is always the first to point out how great FP turbos are and the turnaround time on the BBKs sound impressive!
I re-read the posts too and there is definitely what can be read as "calling out" and sarcasm by cc. Meanwhile, I see Aaron (JohnBradley) standing by his shop while stating facts. That being said, it is easy to read into words on a screen when there may not be anything there. I guess the difference is that I have spoken a lot with Aaron (much to his chagrin, probably) while most of us probably haven't spoken with you, cc.
I think Chad and John said it best. To paraphrase, these are all great turbos and each one applies differently to specific customer's needs. I do really like how Chad is always the first to point out how great FP turbos are and the turnaround time on the BBKs sound impressive!
Even though I am pretty optimistic of the HTA green I think the airflow numbers might not exactly translate into the extra power on pump atleast. I just don't see a HTA Green putting down 480whp on pump when a BBK puts down 420whp if you factor in 1lb=10hp. Going by that theory on pump the FP Red would just murder the BBK which is doesn't on pump. Their numbers are consistently within 10-20whp of each other. On E85 and high boost the Red pulls away when you are ACTUALLY using that extra airflow. Their are plently of dyno's that have had both the BBK and Fpred on their with little difference as far as pump numbers go and I would place money the HTA Green will be close as well. Also seems their are too many dyno numbers being mistakenly compared.
CBRD=low reading mustang
GST=low reading mustang
ER=dynojet
So comparing numbers between the three are almost worthless as those dyno's read very different. CBRD and GST read close but then again different climate and different gas. I think the HTA green will put out better numbers than the BBK but how much? I bet both will be very close on pump which some still run.
CBRD=low reading mustang
GST=low reading mustang
ER=dynojet
So comparing numbers between the three are almost worthless as those dyno's read very different. CBRD and GST read close but then again different climate and different gas. I think the HTA green will put out better numbers than the BBK but how much? I bet both will be very close on pump which some still run.
If it is anything like what we've experienced in the real world on pump gas, the new HTA Green will be a nice improvement over the old one, but IMHO it will not completely destroy a BBK Full like it was stated before unless it was used at peak efficiency on E85 or race fuel.
We ran into this exact same thing with the first batch of greens. Everyone was expecting them to be fricking awesome, and now they realize that they were hardly better than their stock IX turbos.
I really want to go HTA Green on Meth. Will that be okay on the stock bottom end with rod bolts? I really want at least 475 and since the HTA Green is almost identical to stock spool, this should be a sick street car with loads of tq and mid range. That is what I want, I never drag.
. I'm curious to see both of them on reasonable similiar basic bolt on setups (see no exotic corn based gas, manifolds etc.) and really see which one looks closer to "stock like spool"....
Last edited by codgi; Jun 30, 2009 at 09:59 PM.
I more meant I wanted to see the comparision of both turbos' spool....quite a few turbos claim "stock like" spool but then have a bit of fineprint with them . I'm curious to see both of them on reasonable similiar basic bolt on setups (see now exotic corn based gas, manifolds etc.) and really see which one looks closer to "stock like spool",
. I'm curious to see both of them on reasonable similiar basic bolt on setups (see now exotic corn based gas, manifolds etc.) and really see which one looks closer to "stock like spool",
You're running meth - go red! I saw your other post with your concern about the torque. I say if you aren't sure now then go with a more conservative tune and then crank it up when you are more confident with your bottom end.
Wait a sec, go with the HTA green now since we're so similar in power mods. That way I have an edge with the increased flow. 
Seriously, I think it would be best to future-proof yourself as best you can, that's what I try to do anyway. G/L with whichever you choose!
Seriously, I think it would be best to future-proof yourself as best you can, that's what I try to do anyway. G/L with whichever you choose!