Excellent idea, I will mention that when this proposition is unveiled.

 

We need E85 in Auburn for sure... DriftOffice close by for tune,Blood Interprise. Since Trick gas is availbale at 76 on Auburn way by DO, why not E85. My neighbor runs E85 on his truck and he drives alldaway to issaquah.. rerarted. I want to use E85 in my car.

Derek, congrats on new Evo IX in a family. !!!!

 

E85 was everywhere in the MidWest when we drove back from Massachusetts a month ago. It really dried up hitting the PNW.

Personally I'd like to see it every 100 miles based from every major city. At least one pump is not unfeasible. It gets us away from our oil dependancy, and also supplements the farmers that have been surviving off government substities for many years now. The range you can cover on E85 is drastically reduced, making it almost impossible to run full time. Just to drive from Portland to Seattle I have to go back to a gasoline tune just because of it not being available to the public north of Chehalis.

+the exhaust smells better

 

1). Areas in which you would like to see E85 available:
North of Olympia, South of Seattle, Tacoma area.

2). The reason why:
-Burns cleaner than regular gasoline.
-Made in the USA
-Decreases our reliance on foreign oil.
-More HP per gallon, means more smiles per gallon.

3). How often/how much would you be purchasing E85:
-Once a week at a minimum. 20 gallons per fill up.

4). The benefit for the station carrying E85 (which is obvious to us but maybe not to them).
-Government and Military vehicles use E85 in their fleet.
-There is a lack of an E85 source in-between Seattle and Olympia, and represents an untapped market.
-Military service members and their families in JBLM have E85 capable vehicles due to relocation and represents a large population that live in the Tacoma area.

I'm in SE Michigan visiting family and friends, and they have E85 stations within 5 miles of each other. I miss my evo.

 

Sorry, Ryan, but your position rings hollow. You are leaving out one very big piece of the puzzle, that being the high cost of the US military industrial complex that provides some measure of stability throughout the oil producing world, which allows gasoline to be readily available in sufficient quantities at your local station.

Once the huge US subsidies of world peace are included in the cost of crude oil in order to place gasoline and E85 on a level cost playing field, it will be quickly evident that locally produced Ethanol is a very wise and cost effective energy alternative.

Jim

 

It looks like you are in luck! Just one more vote to end the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (VEETC)(~$5 Billion taxpayer dollars shuffled to the corn belt)

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...l-tax-credits/

If it (ethanol) can stand on its own in the market place with the huge price per gallon jump that is sure to follow, then I will start to reverse my opinion of it.


Now the off-topic part:
Jim: Your pie-in-the-sky theory that the US will pull out of oil producing countries for cost savings (and I guess to show how friendly the US really is?) is about as hollow as hollow can be. Putting global peacekeeping costs into your calculation is equally silly. Last I checked, the global marketplace was vastly larger and more complex than just the battle for oil price control.

Also, the domestic price of food has been affected by 2% of our demand shifting to ethanol.... I'd love to see what your plan is to feed a nation (plus the starving children around the world.... because thats a fight you want to quit... Why not just shoot yourself during campaigning rather than waste the money trying to get elected?) when the majority of food produced goes to net-negative energy production. Expensive food and expensive gas arent exactly the platform you want to run on.

No, I wont give you a $20 bill for three $5 bills.

 

You guys are over thinking this. Either the marketplace will support the product, or it won't. I think it will.

 

We will soon find out! Especially if $5,000,000,000 in government subsidies is cut out!

My gut says that E85 at its current price per gallon will work, but E85 at $0.15 less than E0 will NOT sustain itself. Especially with the observed fuel economy which is no where near 80% of E0.

Either way this is a big WIN for taxpayer dollars. Now we can blow that money on our elected representatives hookers and subsequent legal coverups.

 

Ryan I havent read the article below but I know it has something to do with what you have been talking about lately.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/17/s...nol-subsidies/

 

Everyone overlooks the fact that the reason it's E85 is because it's only 85% Ethanol. They cut 15% gas into it for tax purposes, that way it falls under fuel regulation instead of Alcohol which would be much more stringent. Maybe if the current laws were rewritten, and the country would upgrade the books from something written over 50 years ago, they could regulate it differently, and scale the price and tax credits more appropriately.

 

They discuss the same thing.

I would be interested to watch peoples reaction at the pump when the price of E85 jumped by $0.45 overnight. (if it passes through the House)

 

For comparison purposes, what is the cost of 105 octane gasoline in your market?

In most markets, the price of E85 would have to rise considerably to reach the equivalent price of gasoline.

And there are a few individuals like me who simply don't want to send their hard earned fuel dollars to support people groups who wish to do us harm.

 

Then I seriously hope that everything you buy and use you know all the investors personally and know they don't wish to do you any harm. A lot of those groups most likely have money invested in quite a few innnocent looking companies whose products you currently support.

To the OP, sorry for the derail.

 

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